Dec 1, 2022·edited Dec 1, 2022Liked by Joel Smalley
The heterogeneous vs. homogenous argument goes right to the heart of the dramatically failed response to Covid from the very beginning. The models presumed that, because SC-2 was supposedly 'novel', the human immune system of everyone would completely fail to recognise it and so mount any immune response based on prior immunity. Ferguson's ludicrous model projections were based on a homogeneous population where everybody was equally susceptible to the virus. Witless and Unbalanced 'sagely' reminded us that this was the case, week after week, in their gloomy prognostications presided over by Pol Pot Belly in Downing Street. It wasn't true. They lied. Age and general health influenced greatly who became infected and ill, thus able to spread the disease. Asymptomatic infection was NOT a major facet of transmission. Prior immunity from exposure to other, similar pathogens existed and this varied across populations and nationalities.
With a heterogeneous population, the herd immunity threshold was nothing like the 60-70% quoted by Witless and Unbalanced. It was more like 40%. There was never any need to lock everybody in their homes or adopt any of the other ridiculous non-pharmaceutical interventions. All that was needed was to take reasonable measures to protect the vulnerable AND ensure they had access to early intervention medication (The Great Barrington Declaration). Instead, they banned and discredited the early intervention medications, killed people with lethally ineffective medical interventions and claimed that the only way to 'safely' reach the fake herd immunity threshold of 80-90% (it kept going up) was to inject everyone with a novel experimental 'vaccine'. The rest is history and a very, very unpleasant present.
Jaime's summary, combined with your summary, provide what I think might be the best, relatively quick, full and complete explanation of the Great Covid Dumpster Fire™ that is currently available. As a benefit, it does not require substantial understanding of immunology, epidemiology, or virology. (The assholes will likely attack that benefit, but they are, well, assholes!) Well done, to you both!
BTW, I am set to Tweet this tomorrow, via Buffer. I am unsure if you still have an account up on Elon's Bluebird, but if so, let me know your handle, so I can link to it, as well as this Substack.
I think the real questions may be Is there any actual evidence that "Public Health" is serving the greater good generally? And do they have any intention to?
Could you please site the scientific literature that an influenza like particle causes COVID-19?
I am a physician with a background in molecular biology, epidemiology and infectious disease prevention. I have not been able to find any proof that I fully sequenced SARS Cov2 virus has ever been isolated from any individual said to suffer from the non specific syndrome known as Covid19.
Please don’t waste your, my or your reader’s time by citing PCR positivity for an silico (imaginary) computer generated “viron.”
I think you're actually on the same page. He didn't write "influenza like particle"; the term is "influenza like pathogen". You can find thousands or pubmed articles linking pathogen and immune response. I think Joel carefully sidestepped whether or not a SARS Cov2 virus is a cause of anything. What he said was that an ILP seems to cause the immune response that goes by "Covid19", and that this ILP is likely always present in most of us and has little effect until we lose immune robustness through age, stress, poor nutrition etc. Does that help?
 I agree. Once you realize this is a fabricated Plandemic, all the lies become evident. Including the death jab, and increased all cause mortality from this intervention.
Fair enough Whisk, I did notice "#9" when I looked back over it. And I agree, it’s hard to have it both ways. I think everybody is still struggling with this issue and not sure where to land on it. I would propose that maybe Joel’s "Final Hypothesis" isn’t quite complete yet - and I/we offer this criticism/editorial note as a way to push him/everyone to resolve it.
I think about this problem a lot, and if you don't mind - I'll share some of my thoughts.
There’s no doubt virologists were working on making coronaviruses "more transmissible", and little doubt that there was a lab leak in Wuhan.
I think it’s helpful to remember that unlike bacteria - a virus isn’t alive, and is just different packages of physical instructions that probably reside in our own “viome". Perhaps what leaked from the lab was a novel modification to these instructions/responses - that were more easily copied (I'm avoiding using the word "transmitted").
The sticking point is: did these instructions "cause" the symptoms of Covid19? I would argue that instructions can't "cause" anything, they can just be followed if required. And that the human organism sometimes follows those instructions when it is exposed to an Influenza-Like Pathogen (but ALSO possibly when exposed to other pathogens!).
Most of us have had the experience over the last three years of having had a bad cold or flu, having the same "symptoms of Covid" and yet testing negative on a PCR test (couldn't pick up signs of the modified lab instructions at that time); and most of us have ALSO had the experience of either having little or no symptoms - or having profound symptoms, and then testing positive on a PCR test (for the modified lab instructions). There didn't seem to be much rhyme or reason for it.
Except in my family, what I noticed, is that we all developed intense and NOVEL smell/taste aversions when we tested positive on PCR (a big family - so we've had Alpha, Delta, Omicron). But not everyone has had this "tell". I live somewhere where all my children were required to swab test 2x a week and PCR test every time they had a fever or runny nose, so I picked up some observations. Based on my small experience, I noticed that novel smell/taste aversions were part of the instruction package that triggered a positive PCR test. I would argue that those instructions came from a lab leak in Wuhan.
The first time I tested positive (Alpha), I was tired and had a headache which quickly resolved in a day - but the smell/taste aversion lasted about a week. No cough, cold or fever. However the second time I tested positive (UK Omicron) - in addition to smell/taste aversion and headache, I also had high fever and a debilitating body and back pain - just as Bubs mentioned. He says he experienced "shingles like back pain" and "compared C-19 to being poisoned". Those were the NOVEL experiences I also had - that were different from any cold/flu I had had before.
I can really relate to Bubs because I felt like I had been poisoned. I didn't have a cold or cough, but anything I tried to eat made me vomit, my tongue became coated in a yellow slime, by day 6 something happened to my muscles so that I could only shuffle painfully and could barely get myself up/down stairs (I'm in my 40s). I couldn't sleep because of the quite agonizing shingles-like pain in my back and body. (I've had shingles - different because it's only on one side and has a tell-tale rash). Except for the smell/taste aversion, I had never experienced symptoms quite like this. I didn't leave my bed (except to heat broth and try to eat) for ten days.
The instructions my body was following were definitely unusual and NOVEL in my experience. But it's possible my body was reacting to an Influenza Like Pathogen in that I had fever, body aches and nausea - and was using the novel instructions from the lab leak to overcome it.
Now it's like we're splitting hairs... Can I get away with saying the SARS-CoV-2 doesn't "cause" covid but rather is just a set of lab-modified instructions that everyone started following after 2019 sometimes when they encountered ILPs, but not other times? Does it even matter whether SARS-CoV-2 is the pathogenic cause, or just the instructions - if the end result is the same symptoms? I think it does matter, and it comes down to the nature of "contagion".
For such an incredibly "transmissible" virus, isn't it odd that two people in my immediate family - both of whom I sleep next to (an adult and a young child), never tested positive despite many, many swab and PCR tests? And isn't it odd that the second and debilitating time I tested positive, no one else in my family ever did - despite us being on a road trip together in the same car?
What's more likely is that by early 2021 - before vaccination in my area - we all had the reservoir of NOVEL lab instructions. But they only manifested as minor symptoms and positive PCR in some of us during the Alpha wave because only some of us were exposed to an ILP - or - only some of us "needed to" use the instructions.
And during my second bout (with UK Omicron), we still all had the reservoir of NOVEL lab instructions (from before 2021 and also from the Pharma analogues for some of us), but that I was the only one who "needed to use them" or was possibly exposed to an ILP.
I appreciate you spelling this out. There's something there but. Hypoxia (I know you didn't mention it), anosmia, and post-infection syndrome (long flu but never called long flu before Covid) - THE INDEX MARKERS for Covid all existed prior to 2019. I'm not a strict no virus OR Terrain > Virus person but my gut tells me the world was not challenged by CoV2. I myself have had 3 flu bouts that affected my taste and smell prior to the Plandemonium. Wait now what about Ground Glass Opacity of the lungs? They DID that to the victims with their devilish hospital protocols. The "Hype" and fear driven by the media, as Peter Daszak ordained in 2015, fomented by fake videos of people dropping dead in streets, and purposefully strung along with the zoonosis v lab leak debate, led everyone into that conclusion. EVEN retrospectively! Yep I remember that flu. It HAD to be Covid. I have a friend who claims his Dr agrees with him. The fraudulent PCR test and the incessant media nudging rebranding some flu strain as Covid. It may even be a purposefully tainted past flu vaccine strain that was the "leak".
Whatever it was, was potentially endemic by summer '20. Surely was WIDESPREAD in America (and World) before (at least by) the 2 weeks to stop the spread nonsense. Surely was endemic by the time the shots were deployed. But clearly the injections are the variants.
Just yesterday Unglossed wrote and article that linked to a footnote that claimed a single epitope "vaccine" would work because
"Although we cannot predict whether adaptive selection will be seen in SARS-CoV-2 in the future, the key finding is that SARS-CoV-2 viruses that are currently circulating constitute a homogeneous viral population. Viral diversity has challenged vaccine development efforts for other viruses such as HIV-1, influenza, or Dengue, but these viruses each constitute a more diverse population than SARS-CoV-2 viruses. We can therefore be cautiously optimistic that viral diversity should not be an obstacle for the development of a broadly protective SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, and that vaccines in current development should elicit responses that are reactive against currently circulating variants of SARS-CoV-2.1"
I need to document this more but remember the media was front-running for all sorts of supposedly Covid induced maladies that turned out NOT to be incident to Covid but definitively incident to the injections - ahem Myocarditis. They knew which things like myocarditis to seed to the media due to Baric's many years studying coronaviruses in the lab- It was alleged that football couldn't be played because myocariditis would be rampant - well all of these bid dollar football programs are part of universities that have world class hospitals and they checked for and monitored for myocarditis and found none.
Of course the NFL being so lucrative the simply contracted with a lab to limit their PCR cycles to 30 and wore contact tracing armbands that only roped in contacts with 15 minutes within 24 hours of time spend within 6' of an affected player. The most amusing thing about Covid and football is that allegedly there was not single case of infection traced to practice or gameplay - C'mon man.
If the world was affected by a super high super deadly pathogen why the age stratification of harm?
The patents prove it. The public fantasizing of such an event proves it. State and county borders preventing Covid prove it. The Plandemonium was the flu with the best marketing program since Twins selling Coors Light. Or Alex the black lab fetching a Strohs.
If you don't mind too much, I'm going to complete this thought by treading into analogy territory...
In the beginning, we all washed our dirty cars at home with rags and a hose. We followed the instructions passed down from our dad or learned from watching neighbors. It's not usually a formal lesson, just something we picked up from observation. Some people wash their cars diligently once a week, and some people only wash their cars when they become really, profoundly dirty. Sometimes, conditions look like they are going to be great for a long stretch and people spontaneously go out to their driveways on the weekend to wash their cars. Some neighbors see that behaviour and agree it's a good idea, and copy it. They don't start washing their cars because of a particle that passes through the air and is breathed in or absorbed. They do it because the idea is mildly contagious, like a wave that passes through the ether.
One day someone came up with a new idea to build commercial car washes, and then another idea to build completely automated drive through car washes. These are essentially modifications on the instruction package on how to wash your car. But just because everyone finds out about these new options (not by particle transmission but by wave/idea transmission), doesn't mean that everyone will use them to wash their cars. Some people will keep washing their cars at home, and some resistant people may never wash their cars at all despite knowing all about these new options.
But if you are driving a filthy car around town and you pass by a line of cars heading into an automated car wash, you become "at risk" of "catching" the idea to get in line to wash your car. It's not guaranteed you will get in line. You might be on your way to an important meeting and can put it off until later. However you are much less at risk of getting in line at the car wash if your car is already clean, or has been recently cleaned.
We've all experienced this with illness. Mothers often nurse all their sick children and then their husband before finally falling ill themselves. If illness is a set of detoxing symptoms, then they are able to put off their own detox until their family is taken care of. Or you may have been able to put off your illness until the end of a holiday, perhaps even "getting sick" on the airplane on the flight home. This has happened to me more times than I can count.
Now imagine there's this really diabolical new instruction - someone invents self-driving cars that also automatically sense a level of dirt that would invalidate their warranty if not cleaned immediately. Perhaps for the sake of being user-friendly, the driver can override this warning once or twice, but finally the car will just drive itself straight to the car wash whether you've got a meeting to go to or you're on your way to your own wedding. It's inconvenient and irritating but just the kind of human-made intervention that only psychos in a lab could come up with, under the guise of making the world a better place with cleaner cars.
The takeaway from this analogy is that in a world where these human-engineered instructions have been let loose, it's probably best to regularly maintain your health. It's better to wash your car regularly rather than let it get profoundly dirty, otherwise you will be at risk of either going to the car wash at an inconvenient time, or worse, being crippled by an automated program that supplants your free will/natural immunity.
Bacteria is a pathogen among many types of pathogens that can be isolated, grown, and transmitted. But viruses are just instructions and they don't spread by contact or particle transmission. Viruses "exist", and virologist study and modify the physical levers of these wave instructions as they manifest in the body. Viruses do not spread by shooting their physical levers into the air or on surfaces, but viruses do spread. Viruses spread in waves just like an idea. When we encounter the idea of NOVEL instructions to detox a pathogen, we may copy the idea and spontaneously create the physical levers in ourselves. The way a yawn or a facial expression is contagious. The way suicidal ideation or a tiktok video is contagious.
Masking is only useful in that it prevents bacterial spread. A mask can't really stop a wave or an idea. Ventilation can't really stop a wave or an idea. (Isolation and quarantine seem to be somewhat useful at stopping a novel wave so long as the isolation and quarantine are maintained forever.)
None of the political interventions had any hope of working because they weren't designed to stop a wave, they were designed to stop a particle.
“We need to increase public understanding of the need for medical countermeasures such as a pan-coronavirus vaccine. A key driver is the media and economics will follow the hype. We
need to use that hype to our advantage to get to the real issues. Investors will respond if they see profit at the end of the process.”
Can you give us your 'take' on SARS2/CoV? I'm 71. Had flu in 1957 & 2001. Both times it was shocking. I repeat. Shocking. I've most likely also had something like it along the way also - in my time, but then I've lived (as a child) & later worked in, many, many places overseas, and had all sorts of bugs. I had Covid in Nov/Dec 2021 (UK). It was very, very... Odd. Most definitely not flu! I'm un-jabbed for this, but I have had many proper vaccinations. However, some have compared C-19 to being poisoned. I can well relate to that! Others I talked with at the time had much the same reaction to whatever it was. My big issue was shingles-like back pain.
I believe that you described it perfectly, "some have compared C-19 to being poisoned. I can well relate to that!" We could dive down the rabbit hole for awhile, but that is unnecessary.
Very possible. I have only had the "flu" twice. Once, in 1987 sans flu shot, but it was self-diagnosed. The second time was within days of receiving a military-mandated flu shot. It made me sick as a dog. I have not taken a flu shot in all the years since. I was blessed to have a friend that would squirt the shot onto a cotton pad, then wipe it on my arm calling it good.
2. Bronchiectasis, asthma, menopausal hot flushes leading to very poor sleep.
Both over 60 years of age.
Unvaccinated.
Covid September 2021
No post virual symptoms. Both back to pre covid health.
9 day illness
Both pretty ill.
It is clear to me how people in care homes would have died. Sick people need constant care. I had to nurse my very sick dementia covid husband constantly, night and day, even though I was also unwell (couldn't stand at times so crawling around to get the care needed done). I believe he would have likely died of thirst and a pneumonia without my constant attentive care.
You Jo helped me to be wary of what was going on from an early stage.
I never ever at any point expected others be locked down, restricted or anything else for that matter to 'save me'. How dreadful.
Glad to have been useful to you. I trust you took note of point #11? What you describe is what I intended as part of "social care". It is every bit as important as "medical" care. Denying that to so many inevitably contributed to their early demise.
Dear Joel thank you ever so much for your diligent analysis and the presentation of your work on Substack. I was wondering if you have ever looked at birth rates? This would be extremely interesting. In particular is there (1) any signal that birthdate around the World changed as a consequence of the NPI measures put in place and (2) changed after “vaccine” rollout? Thanks again
True. Good point. I don’t find the data or deaths as interesting as the mandates for all federal workers contractors regardless of whether they telework or work outdoors. I was essentially threatened by Biden and everyone down the chain to submit to a mystery medical injections violation or lose my job. And subsequently my house. And what about impact to wife and children? I survived by draining all vacation and then going on unpaid leave until the policy change. 6 months of hell over an ILP. Ask why? Your research proves the why was not valid. My point is they knew at the Top that this was never valid. Oh yeah postal workers although federal didn’t have a mandate nor did congress and staff. So again regardless of data or deaths, what is going on in this world?????
I keep trying! I will inevitably continue. I'm waiting on some cause of death data from the ONS so I'll certainly be writing that one up when I finally get it.
Dec 1, 2022·edited Dec 1, 2022Liked by Joel Smalley
First off thanks for all your amazing work on everything.
Secondly, you likely already know this, Pueyo is completely bought off.
Now to your points:
1) People die.
Yes they do.
On Edit: I'll add that while people die they are also killed- big difference between these two positions.
All analysis of "Covid-19" flows from the understanding that it was the latter that were are speaking of not a natural or "lab induced" epidemiological event. If that is not one's baseline position than all further threads of analysis will be mistaken right from the start.
2) People die more frequently at certain times of the year.
Yep
3) Periods of higher mortality are typically associated with the prevalence of influenza-like pathogens (ILPs).
Categorization of ILP's is fungible and up for grabs.
4) ILPs are present all year round but may lie dormant in some hosts, reactivated at certain times when their immune systems are relatively weak.
Many, many other factors involved.
5) ILPs impact the population (in terms of infections and illness) as a constant battle with the host population’s immune system (to fight off infection and disease progression) and their metabolic health.
Same as 3 and 4.
6) The battle between ILPs varies mainly due to variation in levels of immunity of the host, and to a lesser extent due to variation in pathogenicity of the ILP.
Same as 3,4, and 5. Import of pathogencitiy of ILP is questionsable at best.
7) Immunity levels are a function of multiple factors but they are all related to age, general (metabolic) health of the host, the physical environment.
Yep.
8) COVID exists (but isn’t really novel).
"Covid" is nothing more than a nebulous variety of common disease symptoms in the presence of a fraudulent PCR result none of which have ever been proven to be caused or transmitted by a specific microbe.
9) The virus that causes COVID (SARS-CoV-2) was re-engineered in a lab to make it more infectious (the latter part being its only novelty).
Even if it was the case you have to believe some of the most preposterous things to think this "GOF virus" was "more infectious."
10) It is impossible to suppress the spread of a respiratory pathogen to the extent that community spread has a positive impact on severe outcomes, including death without total isolation of every member of society. thus, I acknowledge the theory of transmission.
Yet to be proven nor relevant to this issue.
11) If COVID had been treated like all other ILPs (anti-virals, nutraceuticals, social care), the overall excess mortality would not have been unusual.
Yep- except COVID is a fiction- all of it. This also somewhat contradicts point #9.
12) Excessive spikes in excess mortality are due to a myriad of causes, substantially how the vulnerable/susceptible are treated (or not!), and not as a function of the amount of ILP circulating in the community (although some has to be present, which it always is).
People were murdered by policies.
13) Excess, non-COVID mortality arises directly from futile interventions designed to mitigate the spread of the ILP, including disruption to healthcare provision and inappropriate medical treatment.
You would be hard pressed to find a single "Covid death" anywhere in the world even if you believed Covid was "a thing."
The interventions weren't "futile" they were orchestrated criminal actions. Suggesting they were "futile" implies (falsely) that the parties who imposed the interventions were acting in good faith.
14) The mRNA “vaccine” is not Safe or Effective™.
There is nothing for these injections to be "effective" against. The perps don't care as they are the most profitable medical items in history and that was/is their intended function.
You’ve articulated my position. Unfortunately, despite 30+ years applied R&D at leadership level and 40+ years since I began my broad biology training, many regarded me as mad. I understand why. It’s still extremely unfortunate.
Dr Yeadon, you are madly brave. Very few people can or have spoken out so clearly about the absolute horror of this democidal operation which continues to this day. I thank you and pray for you 💜
Thank you, but I’m not brave. Nothing will happen to me as a consequence of speaking out that wouldn’t be way worse if I remained silent.
In the end, we’re all going to die. I’ve be well aware of this since I was six or seven. It doesn’t bother me. I don’t enjoy pain but torture aside, there’s nothing anyone could do to shut me up.
What irks me is the mass of Lilly livered people who darn well know roughly what’s going on, yet say nothing.
Yes the complicit are the most vexing group. They are not the pure evil ones who have set this up but by their silence, the complicit allow the evil to continue. They are comfortable, they don’t rock the boat, they benefit from the system…. They damn themselves to hell
And in some interviews, I’ve fiercely accused the knowing but silent doctors not only of cowardice and greed, but stupidity.
“Do you really think the perpetrators are going to allow you to hold onto your ill-gotten gains? You think you’re getting a golden ticket? Or do you so lack imagination that you’ve persuaded yourself that these past three years of utterly bizarre events are normal? You’ve some nasty shocks coming”.
One could draw an analogy with all those currently working away with enthusiasm on weaponised AI, robotisation. automated systems, bio-metric and facial-recognition tech, etc.
All the tools of bio-tech tyranny: they don't consider the end-point, the motivations of those who fund them.
The funders are not their friends; and they are but useful idiots, to be disposed of in due course, or enslaved with everyone else.
I've edited my comment on Point #1 to include the following:
"I'll add that while people die they are also killed- big difference between these two positions.
All analysis of "Covid-19" flows from the understanding that it was the latter that were are speaking of not a natural or "lab induced" epidemiological event. If that is not one's baseline position than all further threads of analysis will be mistaken right from the start."
you are a godsend to us, the people who are not good at reading dozens of stats and coming up with a conclusion. I am sending this post to my son, who is a statistician but has bought into the 'official narrative' and just got his fourth jab. I worry about him, on many levels...thank you for doing this vital research.
Thank you for applying your talent and expertise to hard work and sharing your findings and theories. You have made such a positive contribution to countering the confusion.
Great summary, thank you. I love a numbered list! I just want you to know that I read everything you write even if I haven't commented before or rarely "click through" from the email. Your efforts here are hugely appreciated.
It was prompted by a meeting I had earlier in the week. Someone who hadn't seen any of my work asked me for 10 points that sum it up. Well, here's 16!!
"What’s truly incredible is that any of this needs saying. I can still clearly recollect Covidians arguing that it was not easier to protect the vulnerable (who were already mainly corralled in hospitals and care homes anyway) who numbered no more than 2% of the population, than it was to shut down the other 98%."
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And as a bonus, we were still unable to keep the virus out of nursing homes and jails, where we can much more easily control who comes and goes. If we can't keep the bug out of THOSE places, what chance do we have to keep it out of the population?
17. Do not clear beds in hospitals by sending Covid-infected patients into Care Homes and Nursing homes.
18. Avoid closed spaces with recirculated air, especially during Lockdowns, because the already ineffective masks and distancing fail completely in these conditions. This particularly affects hospitals.
I remember the Private Eye magazine doctor saying how dangerous it had been of Boris Johnson to suggest we all just carry on as normal because apparently the British public were far too fat/ill/unhealthy to manage not to die before herd immunity was reached. Arrogant twat thinking that humanity couldn't cope with a coronavirus! Even if it had been fiddled with in Wuhan, it was clear that it wasn't killing "normal" people - just like ILPs normally don't kill "normal" people. As for the idea that it was somehow unfair on the elderly/sick/compromised if they were protected whilst the rest of us just got on with life! Wonder if anyone asked the care home residents who generally live in virtual prisons anyway whether they wanted their grandkids locked away from them.
Sadly Joel, you are still only preaching to the converted aren't you? Unless you can get the BBC to discuss your findings the brainwashed Covidian idiots who have "put it all behind them" aren't going to have to face up to what they've done.
The BBC? LMAO! I actually had a route in at the very start through the brother of a very famous presenter. Initially he was confident that we could get through to her. But to my (genuine) surprise, she wasn't interested. A year later and I read her report that her triple-vaccinated brother had got bad COVID. What can I say?!
Some of us have the ability to think ahead, and have had gov't completely fail on them in the past, sometimes multiple times. We learned never to count on gov't.
The heterogeneous vs. homogenous argument goes right to the heart of the dramatically failed response to Covid from the very beginning. The models presumed that, because SC-2 was supposedly 'novel', the human immune system of everyone would completely fail to recognise it and so mount any immune response based on prior immunity. Ferguson's ludicrous model projections were based on a homogeneous population where everybody was equally susceptible to the virus. Witless and Unbalanced 'sagely' reminded us that this was the case, week after week, in their gloomy prognostications presided over by Pol Pot Belly in Downing Street. It wasn't true. They lied. Age and general health influenced greatly who became infected and ill, thus able to spread the disease. Asymptomatic infection was NOT a major facet of transmission. Prior immunity from exposure to other, similar pathogens existed and this varied across populations and nationalities.
With a heterogeneous population, the herd immunity threshold was nothing like the 60-70% quoted by Witless and Unbalanced. It was more like 40%. There was never any need to lock everybody in their homes or adopt any of the other ridiculous non-pharmaceutical interventions. All that was needed was to take reasonable measures to protect the vulnerable AND ensure they had access to early intervention medication (The Great Barrington Declaration). Instead, they banned and discredited the early intervention medications, killed people with lethally ineffective medical interventions and claimed that the only way to 'safely' reach the fake herd immunity threshold of 80-90% (it kept going up) was to inject everyone with a novel experimental 'vaccine'. The rest is history and a very, very unpleasant present.
You summarised it more succinctly than me! If I ever write a book, I'll ask you to do the preface!!
Jaime's summary, combined with your summary, provide what I think might be the best, relatively quick, full and complete explanation of the Great Covid Dumpster Fire™ that is currently available. As a benefit, it does not require substantial understanding of immunology, epidemiology, or virology. (The assholes will likely attack that benefit, but they are, well, assholes!) Well done, to you both!
BTW, I am set to Tweet this tomorrow, via Buffer. I am unsure if you still have an account up on Elon's Bluebird, but if so, let me know your handle, so I can link to it, as well as this Substack.
Excellent summary. Well presented and laid out.
I think the real questions may be Is there any actual evidence that "Public Health" is serving the greater good generally? And do they have any intention to?
Still struggling to find a source of that!
Could you please site the scientific literature that an influenza like particle causes COVID-19?
I am a physician with a background in molecular biology, epidemiology and infectious disease prevention. I have not been able to find any proof that I fully sequenced SARS Cov2 virus has ever been isolated from any individual said to suffer from the non specific syndrome known as Covid19.
Please don’t waste your, my or your reader’s time by citing PCR positivity for an silico (imaginary) computer generated “viron.”
I think you're actually on the same page. He didn't write "influenza like particle"; the term is "influenza like pathogen". You can find thousands or pubmed articles linking pathogen and immune response. I think Joel carefully sidestepped whether or not a SARS Cov2 virus is a cause of anything. What he said was that an ILP seems to cause the immune response that goes by "Covid19", and that this ILP is likely always present in most of us and has little effect until we lose immune robustness through age, stress, poor nutrition etc. Does that help?
 I agree. Once you realize this is a fabricated Plandemic, all the lies become evident. Including the death jab, and increased all cause mortality from this intervention.
#themediaISthevirus
Well done MJ! I was getting all fired up to write the same things, but you saved me from carpal tunnel. Thanks!
Fair enough Whisk, I did notice "#9" when I looked back over it. And I agree, it’s hard to have it both ways. I think everybody is still struggling with this issue and not sure where to land on it. I would propose that maybe Joel’s "Final Hypothesis" isn’t quite complete yet - and I/we offer this criticism/editorial note as a way to push him/everyone to resolve it.
I think about this problem a lot, and if you don't mind - I'll share some of my thoughts.
There’s no doubt virologists were working on making coronaviruses "more transmissible", and little doubt that there was a lab leak in Wuhan.
I think it’s helpful to remember that unlike bacteria - a virus isn’t alive, and is just different packages of physical instructions that probably reside in our own “viome". Perhaps what leaked from the lab was a novel modification to these instructions/responses - that were more easily copied (I'm avoiding using the word "transmitted").
The sticking point is: did these instructions "cause" the symptoms of Covid19? I would argue that instructions can't "cause" anything, they can just be followed if required. And that the human organism sometimes follows those instructions when it is exposed to an Influenza-Like Pathogen (but ALSO possibly when exposed to other pathogens!).
Most of us have had the experience over the last three years of having had a bad cold or flu, having the same "symptoms of Covid" and yet testing negative on a PCR test (couldn't pick up signs of the modified lab instructions at that time); and most of us have ALSO had the experience of either having little or no symptoms - or having profound symptoms, and then testing positive on a PCR test (for the modified lab instructions). There didn't seem to be much rhyme or reason for it.
Except in my family, what I noticed, is that we all developed intense and NOVEL smell/taste aversions when we tested positive on PCR (a big family - so we've had Alpha, Delta, Omicron). But not everyone has had this "tell". I live somewhere where all my children were required to swab test 2x a week and PCR test every time they had a fever or runny nose, so I picked up some observations. Based on my small experience, I noticed that novel smell/taste aversions were part of the instruction package that triggered a positive PCR test. I would argue that those instructions came from a lab leak in Wuhan.
The first time I tested positive (Alpha), I was tired and had a headache which quickly resolved in a day - but the smell/taste aversion lasted about a week. No cough, cold or fever. However the second time I tested positive (UK Omicron) - in addition to smell/taste aversion and headache, I also had high fever and a debilitating body and back pain - just as Bubs mentioned. He says he experienced "shingles like back pain" and "compared C-19 to being poisoned". Those were the NOVEL experiences I also had - that were different from any cold/flu I had had before.
I can really relate to Bubs because I felt like I had been poisoned. I didn't have a cold or cough, but anything I tried to eat made me vomit, my tongue became coated in a yellow slime, by day 6 something happened to my muscles so that I could only shuffle painfully and could barely get myself up/down stairs (I'm in my 40s). I couldn't sleep because of the quite agonizing shingles-like pain in my back and body. (I've had shingles - different because it's only on one side and has a tell-tale rash). Except for the smell/taste aversion, I had never experienced symptoms quite like this. I didn't leave my bed (except to heat broth and try to eat) for ten days.
The instructions my body was following were definitely unusual and NOVEL in my experience. But it's possible my body was reacting to an Influenza Like Pathogen in that I had fever, body aches and nausea - and was using the novel instructions from the lab leak to overcome it.
Now it's like we're splitting hairs... Can I get away with saying the SARS-CoV-2 doesn't "cause" covid but rather is just a set of lab-modified instructions that everyone started following after 2019 sometimes when they encountered ILPs, but not other times? Does it even matter whether SARS-CoV-2 is the pathogenic cause, or just the instructions - if the end result is the same symptoms? I think it does matter, and it comes down to the nature of "contagion".
For such an incredibly "transmissible" virus, isn't it odd that two people in my immediate family - both of whom I sleep next to (an adult and a young child), never tested positive despite many, many swab and PCR tests? And isn't it odd that the second and debilitating time I tested positive, no one else in my family ever did - despite us being on a road trip together in the same car?
What's more likely is that by early 2021 - before vaccination in my area - we all had the reservoir of NOVEL lab instructions. But they only manifested as minor symptoms and positive PCR in some of us during the Alpha wave because only some of us were exposed to an ILP - or - only some of us "needed to" use the instructions.
And during my second bout (with UK Omicron), we still all had the reservoir of NOVEL lab instructions (from before 2021 and also from the Pharma analogues for some of us), but that I was the only one who "needed to use them" or was possibly exposed to an ILP.
I appreciate you spelling this out. There's something there but. Hypoxia (I know you didn't mention it), anosmia, and post-infection syndrome (long flu but never called long flu before Covid) - THE INDEX MARKERS for Covid all existed prior to 2019. I'm not a strict no virus OR Terrain > Virus person but my gut tells me the world was not challenged by CoV2. I myself have had 3 flu bouts that affected my taste and smell prior to the Plandemonium. Wait now what about Ground Glass Opacity of the lungs? They DID that to the victims with their devilish hospital protocols. The "Hype" and fear driven by the media, as Peter Daszak ordained in 2015, fomented by fake videos of people dropping dead in streets, and purposefully strung along with the zoonosis v lab leak debate, led everyone into that conclusion. EVEN retrospectively! Yep I remember that flu. It HAD to be Covid. I have a friend who claims his Dr agrees with him. The fraudulent PCR test and the incessant media nudging rebranding some flu strain as Covid. It may even be a purposefully tainted past flu vaccine strain that was the "leak".
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1932/rr-15
See - what happened in Samoa with measles vaccination
https://barneyrubble.substack.com/p/well-whaddayaknow
Whatever it was, was potentially endemic by summer '20. Surely was WIDESPREAD in America (and World) before (at least by) the 2 weeks to stop the spread nonsense. Surely was endemic by the time the shots were deployed. But clearly the injections are the variants.
Just yesterday Unglossed wrote and article that linked to a footnote that claimed a single epitope "vaccine" would work because
"Although we cannot predict whether adaptive selection will be seen in SARS-CoV-2 in the future, the key finding is that SARS-CoV-2 viruses that are currently circulating constitute a homogeneous viral population. Viral diversity has challenged vaccine development efforts for other viruses such as HIV-1, influenza, or Dengue, but these viruses each constitute a more diverse population than SARS-CoV-2 viruses. We can therefore be cautiously optimistic that viral diversity should not be an obstacle for the development of a broadly protective SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, and that vaccines in current development should elicit responses that are reactive against currently circulating variants of SARS-CoV-2.1"
I need to document this more but remember the media was front-running for all sorts of supposedly Covid induced maladies that turned out NOT to be incident to Covid but definitively incident to the injections - ahem Myocarditis. They knew which things like myocarditis to seed to the media due to Baric's many years studying coronaviruses in the lab- It was alleged that football couldn't be played because myocariditis would be rampant - well all of these bid dollar football programs are part of universities that have world class hospitals and they checked for and monitored for myocarditis and found none.
https://www.lsuhsc.edu/newsroom/Study%20Shows%20Myocarditis%20Linked%20to%20COVID-19%20Not%20as%20Common%20as%20Believed.html
Of course the NFL being so lucrative the simply contracted with a lab to limit their PCR cycles to 30 and wore contact tracing armbands that only roped in contacts with 15 minutes within 24 hours of time spend within 6' of an affected player. The most amusing thing about Covid and football is that allegedly there was not single case of infection traced to practice or gameplay - C'mon man.
If the world was affected by a super high super deadly pathogen why the age stratification of harm?
The patents prove it. The public fantasizing of such an event proves it. State and county borders preventing Covid prove it. The Plandemonium was the flu with the best marketing program since Twins selling Coors Light. Or Alex the black lab fetching a Strohs.
If you don't mind too much, I'm going to complete this thought by treading into analogy territory...
In the beginning, we all washed our dirty cars at home with rags and a hose. We followed the instructions passed down from our dad or learned from watching neighbors. It's not usually a formal lesson, just something we picked up from observation. Some people wash their cars diligently once a week, and some people only wash their cars when they become really, profoundly dirty. Sometimes, conditions look like they are going to be great for a long stretch and people spontaneously go out to their driveways on the weekend to wash their cars. Some neighbors see that behaviour and agree it's a good idea, and copy it. They don't start washing their cars because of a particle that passes through the air and is breathed in or absorbed. They do it because the idea is mildly contagious, like a wave that passes through the ether.
One day someone came up with a new idea to build commercial car washes, and then another idea to build completely automated drive through car washes. These are essentially modifications on the instruction package on how to wash your car. But just because everyone finds out about these new options (not by particle transmission but by wave/idea transmission), doesn't mean that everyone will use them to wash their cars. Some people will keep washing their cars at home, and some resistant people may never wash their cars at all despite knowing all about these new options.
But if you are driving a filthy car around town and you pass by a line of cars heading into an automated car wash, you become "at risk" of "catching" the idea to get in line to wash your car. It's not guaranteed you will get in line. You might be on your way to an important meeting and can put it off until later. However you are much less at risk of getting in line at the car wash if your car is already clean, or has been recently cleaned.
We've all experienced this with illness. Mothers often nurse all their sick children and then their husband before finally falling ill themselves. If illness is a set of detoxing symptoms, then they are able to put off their own detox until their family is taken care of. Or you may have been able to put off your illness until the end of a holiday, perhaps even "getting sick" on the airplane on the flight home. This has happened to me more times than I can count.
Now imagine there's this really diabolical new instruction - someone invents self-driving cars that also automatically sense a level of dirt that would invalidate their warranty if not cleaned immediately. Perhaps for the sake of being user-friendly, the driver can override this warning once or twice, but finally the car will just drive itself straight to the car wash whether you've got a meeting to go to or you're on your way to your own wedding. It's inconvenient and irritating but just the kind of human-made intervention that only psychos in a lab could come up with, under the guise of making the world a better place with cleaner cars.
The takeaway from this analogy is that in a world where these human-engineered instructions have been let loose, it's probably best to regularly maintain your health. It's better to wash your car regularly rather than let it get profoundly dirty, otherwise you will be at risk of either going to the car wash at an inconvenient time, or worse, being crippled by an automated program that supplants your free will/natural immunity.
Bacteria is a pathogen among many types of pathogens that can be isolated, grown, and transmitted. But viruses are just instructions and they don't spread by contact or particle transmission. Viruses "exist", and virologist study and modify the physical levers of these wave instructions as they manifest in the body. Viruses do not spread by shooting their physical levers into the air or on surfaces, but viruses do spread. Viruses spread in waves just like an idea. When we encounter the idea of NOVEL instructions to detox a pathogen, we may copy the idea and spontaneously create the physical levers in ourselves. The way a yawn or a facial expression is contagious. The way suicidal ideation or a tiktok video is contagious.
Masking is only useful in that it prevents bacterial spread. A mask can't really stop a wave or an idea. Ventilation can't really stop a wave or an idea. (Isolation and quarantine seem to be somewhat useful at stopping a novel wave so long as the isolation and quarantine are maintained forever.)
None of the political interventions had any hope of working because they weren't designed to stop a wave, they were designed to stop a particle.
2015 Peter Daszak
“We need to increase public understanding of the need for medical countermeasures such as a pan-coronavirus vaccine. A key driver is the media and economics will follow the hype. We
need to use that hype to our advantage to get to the real issues. Investors will respond if they see profit at the end of the process.”
Can you give us your 'take' on SARS2/CoV? I'm 71. Had flu in 1957 & 2001. Both times it was shocking. I repeat. Shocking. I've most likely also had something like it along the way also - in my time, but then I've lived (as a child) & later worked in, many, many places overseas, and had all sorts of bugs. I had Covid in Nov/Dec 2021 (UK). It was very, very... Odd. Most definitely not flu! I'm un-jabbed for this, but I have had many proper vaccinations. However, some have compared C-19 to being poisoned. I can well relate to that! Others I talked with at the time had much the same reaction to whatever it was. My big issue was shingles-like back pain.
There are no proper vaccinations, just lack of research.
Years ago, I had little choice in 'proper' vaccinations. Today, I'm not anti vaxx, but I am getting there.
The inevitable finish line for those with the will to go that far.
I believe that you described it perfectly, "some have compared C-19 to being poisoned. I can well relate to that!" We could dive down the rabbit hole for awhile, but that is unnecessary.
Flu vaccine in previous recent years?
Very possible. I have only had the "flu" twice. Once, in 1987 sans flu shot, but it was self-diagnosed. The second time was within days of receiving a military-mandated flu shot. It made me sick as a dog. I have not taken a flu shot in all the years since. I was blessed to have a friend that would squirt the shot onto a cotton pad, then wipe it on my arm calling it good.
Here's some data for you.
Two adults.
1. Dementia
2. Bronchiectasis, asthma, menopausal hot flushes leading to very poor sleep.
Both over 60 years of age.
Unvaccinated.
Covid September 2021
No post virual symptoms. Both back to pre covid health.
9 day illness
Both pretty ill.
It is clear to me how people in care homes would have died. Sick people need constant care. I had to nurse my very sick dementia covid husband constantly, night and day, even though I was also unwell (couldn't stand at times so crawling around to get the care needed done). I believe he would have likely died of thirst and a pneumonia without my constant attentive care.
You Jo helped me to be wary of what was going on from an early stage.
I never ever at any point expected others be locked down, restricted or anything else for that matter to 'save me'. How dreadful.
Bless you for all your efforts.
Glad to have been useful to you. I trust you took note of point #11? What you describe is what I intended as part of "social care". It is every bit as important as "medical" care. Denying that to so many inevitably contributed to their early demise.
Thank you for the comprehensive analysis and clear explanation.
Dear Joel thank you ever so much for your diligent analysis and the presentation of your work on Substack. I was wondering if you have ever looked at birth rates? This would be extremely interesting. In particular is there (1) any signal that birthdate around the World changed as a consequence of the NPI measures put in place and (2) changed after “vaccine” rollout? Thanks again
I don't find the data as reliable (or interesting) as deaths!
True. Good point. I don’t find the data or deaths as interesting as the mandates for all federal workers contractors regardless of whether they telework or work outdoors. I was essentially threatened by Biden and everyone down the chain to submit to a mystery medical injections violation or lose my job. And subsequently my house. And what about impact to wife and children? I survived by draining all vacation and then going on unpaid leave until the policy change. 6 months of hell over an ILP. Ask why? Your research proves the why was not valid. My point is they knew at the Top that this was never valid. Oh yeah postal workers although federal didn’t have a mandate nor did congress and staff. So again regardless of data or deaths, what is going on in this world?????
Some much good info! Did I miss something...are you signing off for good?
I keep trying! I will inevitably continue. I'm waiting on some cause of death data from the ONS so I'll certainly be writing that one up when I finally get it.
Nooooooooo....we need you....... :)
First off thanks for all your amazing work on everything.
Secondly, you likely already know this, Pueyo is completely bought off.
Now to your points:
1) People die.
Yes they do.
On Edit: I'll add that while people die they are also killed- big difference between these two positions.
All analysis of "Covid-19" flows from the understanding that it was the latter that were are speaking of not a natural or "lab induced" epidemiological event. If that is not one's baseline position than all further threads of analysis will be mistaken right from the start.
2) People die more frequently at certain times of the year.
Yep
3) Periods of higher mortality are typically associated with the prevalence of influenza-like pathogens (ILPs).
Categorization of ILP's is fungible and up for grabs.
4) ILPs are present all year round but may lie dormant in some hosts, reactivated at certain times when their immune systems are relatively weak.
Many, many other factors involved.
5) ILPs impact the population (in terms of infections and illness) as a constant battle with the host population’s immune system (to fight off infection and disease progression) and their metabolic health.
Same as 3 and 4.
6) The battle between ILPs varies mainly due to variation in levels of immunity of the host, and to a lesser extent due to variation in pathogenicity of the ILP.
Same as 3,4, and 5. Import of pathogencitiy of ILP is questionsable at best.
7) Immunity levels are a function of multiple factors but they are all related to age, general (metabolic) health of the host, the physical environment.
Yep.
8) COVID exists (but isn’t really novel).
"Covid" is nothing more than a nebulous variety of common disease symptoms in the presence of a fraudulent PCR result none of which have ever been proven to be caused or transmitted by a specific microbe.
9) The virus that causes COVID (SARS-CoV-2) was re-engineered in a lab to make it more infectious (the latter part being its only novelty).
Even if it was the case you have to believe some of the most preposterous things to think this "GOF virus" was "more infectious."
10) It is impossible to suppress the spread of a respiratory pathogen to the extent that community spread has a positive impact on severe outcomes, including death without total isolation of every member of society. thus, I acknowledge the theory of transmission.
Yet to be proven nor relevant to this issue.
11) If COVID had been treated like all other ILPs (anti-virals, nutraceuticals, social care), the overall excess mortality would not have been unusual.
Yep- except COVID is a fiction- all of it. This also somewhat contradicts point #9.
12) Excessive spikes in excess mortality are due to a myriad of causes, substantially how the vulnerable/susceptible are treated (or not!), and not as a function of the amount of ILP circulating in the community (although some has to be present, which it always is).
People were murdered by policies.
13) Excess, non-COVID mortality arises directly from futile interventions designed to mitigate the spread of the ILP, including disruption to healthcare provision and inappropriate medical treatment.
You would be hard pressed to find a single "Covid death" anywhere in the world even if you believed Covid was "a thing."
The interventions weren't "futile" they were orchestrated criminal actions. Suggesting they were "futile" implies (falsely) that the parties who imposed the interventions were acting in good faith.
14) The mRNA “vaccine” is not Safe or Effective™.
There is nothing for these injections to be "effective" against. The perps don't care as they are the most profitable medical items in history and that was/is their intended function.
You’ve articulated my position. Unfortunately, despite 30+ years applied R&D at leadership level and 40+ years since I began my broad biology training, many regarded me as mad. I understand why. It’s still extremely unfortunate.
Dr Yeadon, you are madly brave. Very few people can or have spoken out so clearly about the absolute horror of this democidal operation which continues to this day. I thank you and pray for you 💜
Thank you, but I’m not brave. Nothing will happen to me as a consequence of speaking out that wouldn’t be way worse if I remained silent.
In the end, we’re all going to die. I’ve be well aware of this since I was six or seven. It doesn’t bother me. I don’t enjoy pain but torture aside, there’s nothing anyone could do to shut me up.
What irks me is the mass of Lilly livered people who darn well know roughly what’s going on, yet say nothing.
Yes the complicit are the most vexing group. They are not the pure evil ones who have set this up but by their silence, the complicit allow the evil to continue. They are comfortable, they don’t rock the boat, they benefit from the system…. They damn themselves to hell
Indeed so.
And in some interviews, I’ve fiercely accused the knowing but silent doctors not only of cowardice and greed, but stupidity.
“Do you really think the perpetrators are going to allow you to hold onto your ill-gotten gains? You think you’re getting a golden ticket? Or do you so lack imagination that you’ve persuaded yourself that these past three years of utterly bizarre events are normal? You’ve some nasty shocks coming”.
One could draw an analogy with all those currently working away with enthusiasm on weaponised AI, robotisation. automated systems, bio-metric and facial-recognition tech, etc.
All the tools of bio-tech tyranny: they don't consider the end-point, the motivations of those who fund them.
The funders are not their friends; and they are but useful idiots, to be disposed of in due course, or enslaved with everyone else.
I've edited my comment on Point #1 to include the following:
"I'll add that while people die they are also killed- big difference between these two positions.
All analysis of "Covid-19" flows from the understanding that it was the latter that were are speaking of not a natural or "lab induced" epidemiological event. If that is not one's baseline position than all further threads of analysis will be mistaken right from the start."
If we ever bump into one another coffee's on me.
Dear Joel,
you are a godsend to us, the people who are not good at reading dozens of stats and coming up with a conclusion. I am sending this post to my son, who is a statistician but has bought into the 'official narrative' and just got his fourth jab. I worry about him, on many levels...thank you for doing this vital research.
Thank you for applying your talent and expertise to hard work and sharing your findings and theories. You have made such a positive contribution to countering the confusion.
Great summary, thank you. I love a numbered list! I just want you to know that I read everything you write even if I haven't commented before or rarely "click through" from the email. Your efforts here are hugely appreciated.
It was prompted by a meeting I had earlier in the week. Someone who hadn't seen any of my work asked me for 10 points that sum it up. Well, here's 16!!
I would love to hear a full-on discussion between you and Mathew Crawford. It would be electric.
Me and Mathew only talk crypto!
"What’s truly incredible is that any of this needs saying. I can still clearly recollect Covidians arguing that it was not easier to protect the vulnerable (who were already mainly corralled in hospitals and care homes anyway) who numbered no more than 2% of the population, than it was to shut down the other 98%."
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And as a bonus, we were still unable to keep the virus out of nursing homes and jails, where we can much more easily control who comes and goes. If we can't keep the bug out of THOSE places, what chance do we have to keep it out of the population?
Zero.
This has been obvious since April 2020.
17. Do not clear beds in hospitals by sending Covid-infected patients into Care Homes and Nursing homes.
18. Avoid closed spaces with recirculated air, especially during Lockdowns, because the already ineffective masks and distancing fail completely in these conditions. This particularly affects hospitals.
Very interesting!
I remember the Private Eye magazine doctor saying how dangerous it had been of Boris Johnson to suggest we all just carry on as normal because apparently the British public were far too fat/ill/unhealthy to manage not to die before herd immunity was reached. Arrogant twat thinking that humanity couldn't cope with a coronavirus! Even if it had been fiddled with in Wuhan, it was clear that it wasn't killing "normal" people - just like ILPs normally don't kill "normal" people. As for the idea that it was somehow unfair on the elderly/sick/compromised if they were protected whilst the rest of us just got on with life! Wonder if anyone asked the care home residents who generally live in virtual prisons anyway whether they wanted their grandkids locked away from them.
Sadly Joel, you are still only preaching to the converted aren't you? Unless you can get the BBC to discuss your findings the brainwashed Covidian idiots who have "put it all behind them" aren't going to have to face up to what they've done.
The BBC? LMAO! I actually had a route in at the very start through the brother of a very famous presenter. Initially he was confident that we could get through to her. But to my (genuine) surprise, she wasn't interested. A year later and I read her report that her triple-vaccinated brother had got bad COVID. What can I say?!
1. I’m sorry your brother is ill.
2. I did bloody tell you.
Precisely. How come many of us could foresee this from the very beginning?
Some of us have the ability to think ahead, and have had gov't completely fail on them in the past, sometimes multiple times. We learned never to count on gov't.
Thank you for a comprehensive analysis.
Such common sense. Appreciate your providing it to all without charge. I live in Southern Utah.