"Unvaxed people die 10000 times more than vaxed people, because they listen to us. We could show you the numbers but that would fuel vaccine hesitancy so we don't. Wait, they would fuel hesitancy because they are so good that they are hard to believe, not because they are bad. They are good, oh boy, good good. In fact, awesome. But you don't want to see them, believe us"
There are so many vaccinated deaths only because all the unvaccinated have been wiped from the face of the earth. Even though we're all dead, it's still our fault.
So we are going to see some hard data? By vaccination status? that's been suspiciously absent for months? This should be very interesting. We'll have confirmation just how 'well (or poor)' the vaccine worked at preventing infection/hospitalization and death. I hope they release not just covid-19 deaths but all cause mortality so we can see if the vaccine is causing a rise in cancers/sudden deaths though. B/c covid-19 only accounts for a small bit of the excess death margin these days...
And we are supposed to believe that all the vaccinated with one dose up to 21 days after are counted as vaccinated, not unvaccinated as they have done before?
Thank you. I don't recall seeing a graph with the eight different cases you describe. In some detailed tables those data may be available, but my work was clinical, not statistical.
I also contend that the diagnostic criteria were so (intentionally) corrupted as to make most of the statistics GIGO. It is well-known that in the USA dying with a gunshot wound and Covid had you counted as Covid. Use of PCR Ct40 only ensured that diagnosis was confused.
We are back to Joel's underlying thesis that the only useful measure is all cause mortality. Here in B.C. that has been buried in the fentanyl deaths, and any vaccine danger dismissed.
Not in Canada or the US, that's for sure, and hardly anywhere else. I think I saw such data only in some small-scale studies where the jabbed were hospital workers. Oh yeah, and in a Swedish study (https://live2fightanotherday.substack.com/p/2021-swedish-data-90-jab-efficacy) where they fraudulently lumped together freshly jabbed and unvaccinated but provided a way to reconstruct the data so that correct categorization was possible. And yes, I saw Joel's posts proving that whatever UK health authorities publish in terms of quackcination status is a bold-faced lie
Do you believe the true proof in pudding will be the 2022 data released in 2024?
It’s problematic that we will not see 2022 data this year. The 2021 data they’re going to release this year will be lighter than the doubled-down vaccinated data of 2022. Unfortunately the upcoming release will only be based on 79% of the people based on 2021 info.
I do hope that the recently jabbed are counted as jabbed. And not as unvaccinated as happened before. That screwed up the numbers big time. But great news in itself
If the new data is based on the 2021 census it will include births since 2011 and immigrants since 2011. Under 10s weren’t vaccinated and immigrants since 2011 probably were less trusting of government vaccine advice (if my Polish friends are representative of that community). Immigrants are also younger than average. My guess is that this will boost the denominator of the unvaccinated category and reduce the unvaccinated death rate compared to the previous dataset.
In previous publications the executive summary and the commentary never matched the data in the tables. This method of report writing seems to be everywhere now - clinical trials, government agencies, science journals. Do it in a PhD thesis and you’ll get a fail. Do it in the civil service and you get a pat on the back and a fast track promotion.
I'm very afraid of how they might monkey with the numbers. I can't believe they'll do this unless they think they can make it look favorable.
"Unvaxed people die 10000 times more than vaxed people, because they listen to us. We could show you the numbers but that would fuel vaccine hesitancy so we don't. Wait, they would fuel hesitancy because they are so good that they are hard to believe, not because they are bad. They are good, oh boy, good good. In fact, awesome. But you don't want to see them, believe us"
There are so many vaccinated deaths only because all the unvaccinated have been wiped from the face of the earth. Even though we're all dead, it's still our fault.
I feel myself going a little insane as I read your comment.
Joel, awesome! Thanks!
Well, well, well......well, well, well.....
So we are going to see some hard data? By vaccination status? that's been suspiciously absent for months? This should be very interesting. We'll have confirmation just how 'well (or poor)' the vaccine worked at preventing infection/hospitalization and death. I hope they release not just covid-19 deaths but all cause mortality so we can see if the vaccine is causing a rise in cancers/sudden deaths though. B/c covid-19 only accounts for a small bit of the excess death margin these days...
For real? Useful in it's ability to be useful? Holding our breath?
Hilarious they've been using only 79% of the population and it still looked s*** for the vaccinated
Don’t forget that for 14 days (at least) after the jab they will be lumped in with the unvaccinated, if they, by chance happen to die!
Will be funny!!!
Define vaccinated.
T. has it.
The definitional manipulation of "vaccinated" vs "injected" can be fluffed to make the shots appear safe (if not effective.)
Vaccination status is defined on each day for each person and is one of:
-unvaccinated
-vaccinated with first dose only, less than 21 days after first vaccination
-vaccinated with first dose only, at least 21 days after first vaccination
-vaccinated with first and second doses, less than 21 days after second vaccination
-vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination
-vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination
-vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, less than 21 days after third or --booster vaccination
-vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, at least 21 days after third or booster vaccination
And we are supposed to believe that all the vaccinated with one dose up to 21 days after are counted as vaccinated, not unvaccinated as they have done before?
All we can hope for is they will mess up when lying and we'll be able to figure that out.
Whatever they do, we will figure out out, that's for sure!
Thank you. I don't recall seeing a graph with the eight different cases you describe. In some detailed tables those data may be available, but my work was clinical, not statistical.
I also contend that the diagnostic criteria were so (intentionally) corrupted as to make most of the statistics GIGO. It is well-known that in the USA dying with a gunshot wound and Covid had you counted as Covid. Use of PCR Ct40 only ensured that diagnosis was confused.
We are back to Joel's underlying thesis that the only useful measure is all cause mortality. Here in B.C. that has been buried in the fentanyl deaths, and any vaccine danger dismissed.
Not in Canada or the US, that's for sure, and hardly anywhere else. I think I saw such data only in some small-scale studies where the jabbed were hospital workers. Oh yeah, and in a Swedish study (https://live2fightanotherday.substack.com/p/2021-swedish-data-90-jab-efficacy) where they fraudulently lumped together freshly jabbed and unvaccinated but provided a way to reconstruct the data so that correct categorization was possible. And yes, I saw Joel's posts proving that whatever UK health authorities publish in terms of quackcination status is a bold-faced lie
what you have been waiting for !
I wonder if it will be honest.
Do you believe the true proof in pudding will be the 2022 data released in 2024?
It’s problematic that we will not see 2022 data this year. The 2021 data they’re going to release this year will be lighter than the doubled-down vaccinated data of 2022. Unfortunately the upcoming release will only be based on 79% of the people based on 2021 info.
How useful will it be considering that the majority of the population are jabbed?
Plenty enough held out. and there's always the relative outcomes amongst the jabbed that is insightful.
I do hope that the recently jabbed are counted as jabbed. And not as unvaccinated as happened before. That screwed up the numbers big time. But great news in itself
I so hope that's the case! I've only come across 3 other adults who haven't.
I'm not holding my breath for a 'truth bomb'.
But let's live in hope that it telegraphs some insight?
This brings a whole new meaning to ‘see it, and believe it’.
If the new data is based on the 2021 census it will include births since 2011 and immigrants since 2011. Under 10s weren’t vaccinated and immigrants since 2011 probably were less trusting of government vaccine advice (if my Polish friends are representative of that community). Immigrants are also younger than average. My guess is that this will boost the denominator of the unvaccinated category and reduce the unvaccinated death rate compared to the previous dataset.
In previous publications the executive summary and the commentary never matched the data in the tables. This method of report writing seems to be everywhere now - clinical trials, government agencies, science journals. Do it in a PhD thesis and you’ll get a fail. Do it in the civil service and you get a pat on the back and a fast track promotion.
Thank you Joel.
Believe anything, any longer, from any govtardment on earth ever again? NO!