My chinese in laws keep wondering if the shots are so deadly why are they not dead yet after taking 5. Meanwhile my wife had growths in her breasts months after taking the J&J shot. My neighbor in her late 60's just collapsed dead after passing her doctor check up the day before. She had the shots. My dad and brother are both having immune system reactions to the shot but I am ok after passing on every shot. Strange times....
As long as you don't die from COVID then your death is OK? Right? How messed up are these people? How do you ignore the stunning all cause mortality stats? So get the vaccine and die from a variety of horrible things but not from COVID. Actually, they die from that too. What could possibly be going on in the heads of these Western health bureaucrats?
I think we’re all potentially missing the wood for the trees here. The injectables were meant to protect people from Covid. Therefore there shouldn’t be any Covid deaths in the vaccinated group. The ONS is claiming a win for the vaccines on the basis there were slightly fewer deaths per hundred thousand in the vaccinated versus unvaccinated. It’s a preposterous claim.
Since the stats gatherers get to define the Cause of Death, and can modify treatment based on vaccination status, it is trivial for the stats to be manipulated. Your charts at the end are interesting.
I think one of the big issues with this data is the denominator they are using for unvaxxed. Their figures for unvaxxed numbers may be underestimating the actual number by half -- that's how much they vary from UKHSA numbers--which means death rates in unvaxxed would be double the actual rate.
Feb 21, 2023·edited Feb 21, 2023Liked by Joel Smalley
Hey Joel I plotted some US variables over time, based on your idea of looking at pre-2021 vaccine benefit.
The website is a disaster, it's for my private use. Will probably take forever to load, but there are a few charts (well hundreds) that plot vaccine efficacy from Q4 2019 to Q3 2022.
If you download the actual numbers, they reveal the level of manipulation being used to make the graphs and write the reports. The unvaccinated COVID-related deaths are never more than the vaccinated COVID-related deaths. For All Cause deaths on table 1, in April when things were just starting to heat up, the unvaccinated deaths were 3,556; ever vaccinated (any dose level) deaths were 27,980! Deaths involving COVID in the unvaxed were 230; ever vaxed were 505. As far as I can see, the only change as you go through time is that the ratio between unvaxed and vaxed deaths keeps going up. As a retired RN I can tell you that the flu deaths were being falsely elevated prior to COVID, which is, of course, why the flu appeared to disappear during COVID. Knowing this makes me totally distrust the COVID-related death numbers, even though I'm not in the hospital witnessing it.
I think the ONS do this intentionally, releasing data in a confusing way or missing pieces of the puzzle making it confusing or hard to analyse properly ..... they don't outright "lie", but they don't really "tell the truth" either. Overall mortality is the important measure, but they try to confuse the picture by still talking about deaths "from" Covid, whatever that means. And in terms of excesses they need to be watched carefully because they might include the high number of deaths seen in spring2020 into the basline mortality figures, but current excesses should be viewed relative to pre Covid, not including 2020
So you're more likely to die if vaccinated, than if not. Same here in New Zealand.
Regarding Covid deaths, these can be easily manipulated by death certificate obfuscation. My mother died of Covid, even after becoming test negative. It was listed as one of 4 causes of death in her death certificate but her nursing did not classify it as a Covid death. Total BS. It just so happens 5 residents died in 7 days coincidently, 3-4 weeks after a Covid outbreak.
Meh - what I'm seeing is broad humps of increased mortality in the unvaccinated at vaccination times. Again leading back to the disingenuous practice of only declaring someone vaccinated after 14 days, when deaths occur shortly after administration.
Looking at your addendum chart, it is, I think, not coincidental, that the very sharp inflexion in alleged 'Covid' deaths in the 18-39 age group occurs exactly 1 month after the Covid booster campaign was extended to all adults over 18. The boosters are responsible for the massive increase in infections and mortality it would seem, which adds to the already elevated rate of all cause mortality created by the first two jabs. As observed in the US, the healthy working age population (who were never significantly at risk of severe Covid) have been severely affected by this indiscriminate mass rollout.
Have a look at Peter Nylands Substack- just released a post on the recent published paper, tracking the vaccination status by deaths and disability data, some very interesting graphs and stats that I think would cross-reference with this UK data. Plus it would be very interesting comparison.
With this level of lies the democracy does not make any sense. Governments are people's worst enemies.
My chinese in laws keep wondering if the shots are so deadly why are they not dead yet after taking 5. Meanwhile my wife had growths in her breasts months after taking the J&J shot. My neighbor in her late 60's just collapsed dead after passing her doctor check up the day before. She had the shots. My dad and brother are both having immune system reactions to the shot but I am ok after passing on every shot. Strange times....
As long as you don't die from COVID then your death is OK? Right? How messed up are these people? How do you ignore the stunning all cause mortality stats? So get the vaccine and die from a variety of horrible things but not from COVID. Actually, they die from that too. What could possibly be going on in the heads of these Western health bureaucrats?
I think we’re all potentially missing the wood for the trees here. The injectables were meant to protect people from Covid. Therefore there shouldn’t be any Covid deaths in the vaccinated group. The ONS is claiming a win for the vaccines on the basis there were slightly fewer deaths per hundred thousand in the vaccinated versus unvaccinated. It’s a preposterous claim.
Since the stats gatherers get to define the Cause of Death, and can modify treatment based on vaccination status, it is trivial for the stats to be manipulated. Your charts at the end are interesting.
I think one of the big issues with this data is the denominator they are using for unvaxxed. Their figures for unvaxxed numbers may be underestimating the actual number by half -- that's how much they vary from UKHSA numbers--which means death rates in unvaxxed would be double the actual rate.
Including recently vaxxed who die (unvaccinated for the first 14 days) in the unvaccinated numbers will continue to skew the stats
Hey Joel I plotted some US variables over time, based on your idea of looking at pre-2021 vaccine benefit.
The website is a disaster, it's for my private use. Will probably take forever to load, but there are a few charts (well hundreds) that plot vaccine efficacy from Q4 2019 to Q3 2022.
https://usa-correlations.pervaers.com/
Pick:
- Mortality: 0+
- Vaccine variable: any dose final rate
As measurement pick:
- COVID cases
- COVID deaths
- Weekly excess deaths
Or if you don't like the idea, I screenshotted the three charts and uploaded them:
https://substack.pervaers.com/USA_Misc/temp_final_rate_0p_new_cases.png
https://substack.pervaers.com/USA_Misc/temp_final_rate_0p_new_deaths.png
https://substack.pervaers.com/USA_Misc/temp_final_rate_0p_weekly_excess_deaths.png
Thank you again for your absolutely brilliant idea!
If you download the actual numbers, they reveal the level of manipulation being used to make the graphs and write the reports. The unvaccinated COVID-related deaths are never more than the vaccinated COVID-related deaths. For All Cause deaths on table 1, in April when things were just starting to heat up, the unvaccinated deaths were 3,556; ever vaccinated (any dose level) deaths were 27,980! Deaths involving COVID in the unvaxed were 230; ever vaxed were 505. As far as I can see, the only change as you go through time is that the ratio between unvaxed and vaxed deaths keeps going up. As a retired RN I can tell you that the flu deaths were being falsely elevated prior to COVID, which is, of course, why the flu appeared to disappear during COVID. Knowing this makes me totally distrust the COVID-related death numbers, even though I'm not in the hospital witnessing it.
I think the ONS do this intentionally, releasing data in a confusing way or missing pieces of the puzzle making it confusing or hard to analyse properly ..... they don't outright "lie", but they don't really "tell the truth" either. Overall mortality is the important measure, but they try to confuse the picture by still talking about deaths "from" Covid, whatever that means. And in terms of excesses they need to be watched carefully because they might include the high number of deaths seen in spring2020 into the basline mortality figures, but current excesses should be viewed relative to pre Covid, not including 2020
So you're more likely to die if vaccinated, than if not. Same here in New Zealand.
Regarding Covid deaths, these can be easily manipulated by death certificate obfuscation. My mother died of Covid, even after becoming test negative. It was listed as one of 4 causes of death in her death certificate but her nursing did not classify it as a Covid death. Total BS. It just so happens 5 residents died in 7 days coincidently, 3-4 weeks after a Covid outbreak.
Meh - what I'm seeing is broad humps of increased mortality in the unvaccinated at vaccination times. Again leading back to the disingenuous practice of only declaring someone vaccinated after 14 days, when deaths occur shortly after administration.
Ty Joel keep up the brilliant work. I feel sorry for the health care professionals who’d been forced to take the jab and continue to serve us.
You might want to read Prof Fenton on these data.
https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/
Looking at your addendum chart, it is, I think, not coincidental, that the very sharp inflexion in alleged 'Covid' deaths in the 18-39 age group occurs exactly 1 month after the Covid booster campaign was extended to all adults over 18. The boosters are responsible for the massive increase in infections and mortality it would seem, which adds to the already elevated rate of all cause mortality created by the first two jabs. As observed in the US, the healthy working age population (who were never significantly at risk of severe Covid) have been severely affected by this indiscriminate mass rollout.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59465577
Have a look at Peter Nylands Substack- just released a post on the recent published paper, tracking the vaccination status by deaths and disability data, some very interesting graphs and stats that I think would cross-reference with this UK data. Plus it would be very interesting comparison.