I was one of the very few (18 to be precise) members o the public allowed in to watch the debate. My write-up:
Video/transcript of yesterday's parliamentary debate on petition to hold a public inquiry on covid vaccine safety now published. There were only 18 public seats available, so many people who wanted to watch it couldn't get in. We were told to arrive 20 minutes early, but despite being 40 minutes early, it took so long to get through security that we missed the first couple of minutes.
The opening speech by the member of the petitions committee tasked to move the petition was a disgrace. Instead of summarising the petition and the reasons for it (even if he didn't agree with them), he launched into a rant about how the vaccine campaign had been such a great success, and the MHRA was doing a wonderful job, not surprising as he admitted they had briefed him thoroughly on what to say. Fair enough to hear the case for the defence, but he ought to have listened to the prosecution too. However, he openly admitted that he hadn't done that, equating the 107,000 petitioners with "anti-vaxxers, climate change and moon landing deniers" who had apparently been protesting outside his office, and therefore he was "inclined to ignore it completely". All in all, he was the very worst person you could choose to move this petition, which was presumably why he was chosen.
Including him, there were only a dozen MPs present, including a Health Minister and her Labour and SNP opposite numbers (who all agreed with each other at length that the jabs were wonderful), one Labour MP and half-a-dozen Tories. Several of these made some very good interventions and speeches, pointing out that the MHRA gets 86% of its funding from the pharmaceutical industry (which might tend to undermine its independence), adverse events are massively under-reported to the Yellow Card scheme (by the MHRA's own admission by a factor of 10 or more), the 40,000 care workers who lost their jobs thanks to the government's mandate, extension of the programme to the whole population despite initial assurances that it was only aimed at over-50s, refusing to take infection-acquired immunity into account (as one MP said, "the best vaccine against covid is covid"), children's natural immunity, the 18% rise in all-cause mortality since the start of the rollout, and the derisory and almost-impossible to obtain £120,000 limit on compensation for death or serious ("60% or more") injury.
In reply, the minister made no commitment to take any of these points into account, concluding "I encourage everyone who is eligible to step forward for their covid and flu vaccines as soon as they are able". The inappropriately-chosen proposer of the motion then got to sum up, saying "I will not apologise for not allowing that [compensation for vaccine injury] to be a gateway that allows vaccine misinformation to come into the mainstream", and "I join the Minister in urging people to come forward for their vaccines this winter".
So it looks like nothing will come directly from the debate, perhaps some tinkering with the compensation scheme, certainly not a proper inquiry into covid vaccine safety (although it seems the government has expanded the terms of reference of its previously-announced covid inquiry to also include vaccines - how could they have been omitted originally?). However, I think the petition and debate have still been worthwhile - over 107,000 people were concerned enough to sign the petition, and the serious concerns raised by backbench speakers in the debate (and the united Tory/Labour/SNP front bench refusal to acknowledge them) are now a matter of public record.
I watched a bit a bit of this, in particular Andrew Gwynne MP for Denton, he is a complete clown, an utter low IQ clueless prick, standing up FOR the MHRA!!! I thought (meaning know) our local MP is a tool, but this idiot surpasses him!! What a 100% cretin!!......It's no wonder these useless cowards decided not to hold an enquiry............Joel, your early post on the 'Road to Fascism' book is spot on. This Parliament SHOULD be dissolved and NONE of the present shower should be ever allowed to stand again (you might lose a few decent ones, but I'm sure they'd accept getting of 630 'rotten to the core' MPs for good would be a decent result for the sacrifice)......The last paragraph of that post is an accurate conclusion of this present parliament 'Being a bunch of incompetent, ignorant, corrupt, weak, gullible cowards who will forever be remembered as the worst Parliament in British history that oversaw the return of fascism to the governmental, juridical and cultural forms of the neoliberal democracies of the West.'
I had come to the thought that these risk-denying politicians must all be deliberately lying sociopaths who hate other people's children. And that thought is so bleak and demoralizing because sociopaths cannot change and cannot be healed. Yet they have POWER over us. I mean, what else could explain how they maintain their denial in the presence of so much anecdotal evidence, including in their own circles, and growing piles of independent published science we have in hand and are ready to share with them? But then we had old friends visit us. They had been stuck in Italy for two years and had not been able to get back to Canada due to Covid lockdown until now. They were as unaware, uninformed and firmly biased as these UK politicians, through no fault of their own. Not sociopaths. Simply ignorant. The censorship and propaganda had totally worked on them.
Sunak: 'Boris gave us the great vaccine rollout and for this we should be thankful. By the way, I just got parachuted into place as your new PM and I'm going to work day and night to do what is best for the British people. Isn't that wonderful?'
The British establishment is in full denial of their very significant role in what may turn out to be the single most vicious, calculated and callous crime ever committed against humanity, certainly if one merely does a body count of the victims, but also in terms of its sheer, deliberate, breath-takingly deceitful cruelty. Let's face it: they are NEVER going to open up an enquiry which would formally expose their crimes. The people themselves are going to have to do this.
Hi Joel, I don't know if you're interested in this data - I've been monitoring the road fatalities figures in Queensland, where I live. If you follow the link you'll see there is a roughly 10% rise each year over 2021 & 2022. I read a puzzled comment from a police inspector in the Cairns Post a couple of weeks ago about the unexplained rise in driver-only crashes - that's also borne out in these figures (incidentally, the editors always clear any comments I make pointing that out). I'll send this to Igor Chudov too.
Oct 25, 2022·edited Oct 25, 2022Liked by Joel Smalley
Five minutes into the video and it is clear that it is all farce in Westminster Hall. The first speaker's language is ridiculously inflammatory even after five minutes of speaking. His mind is clearly closed. He won't look at what anyone else has to say and claims papers were 'shoved' into his letterbox. Did he see them being 'shoved'? No. So how can he say they were? Because he is a blinded, biased, self loving, pompous fool.
How many are in the room? I counted fifteen participants with papers in front of them. It seems there are more witnesses/members of the public than sitting in the hall. This whole process is plain and simple wrong. These people take their money and don't bother to show up for work. What would happen if I did that? I would go bust.
Shall I watch the rest of the 1 1/2 hour video. Will my emotions be stirred? Undoubtedly. Yes, I will continue to watch because I want to be witness to the whole process. Unlike that first speaker I am willing and eager to look at all sides and be prepared to change my mind in the light of better evidence, as I did early on in the so called 'pandemic'. I keep looking yet cannot find anything which supports their version and narrative. Not only that, the more I look the more there is to support our version. Believe me when I say I want us to be wrong, this truth is so utterly frightning, yet I know there is no black swan to resue us here.
Oct 25, 2022·edited Oct 25, 2022Liked by Joel Smalley
I wrote an article yesterday "Decline in Public and Scientific Discourse" which ties in with this https://garysharpe.substack.com/p/decline-in-public-and-scientific ... in particular "Most disturbingly, it seems to me that this is the modus operandi that our own governments are increasingly adopting against us, the people who they are supposed to be serving, exploiting the inherent power imbalances to “win” these games."
Despite Dr Malhotra’s interview with Laura Engle (US Tv news) getting a million views on twitter, the UK refuses to consider an investigation into the severe adverse events and deaths caused by covid jabs.
A small number of decent MPs excepted, this was mostly absolutely shocking. The “mover” of the debate, Elliot Colburn must surely be in the pockets of Big Pharma. His rant and the reaction to it of Sir Christopher Chope are shown shortly after 39:00 in last night’s Mark Steyn show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1YTiXLU04I
Of parochial interest to me I note that the SNP representative repeated the old chestnut, I think based on Neil Ferguson magical modelling, that the Covid vaccines saved 20 million lives.
Upper bound: I hope that if every person who got jabbed would have died right on the spot, then people would have raised concerns and the govts would have done something.
Lower bound: what is happening (excess deaths, strokes...) is really big but nothing happens, they are getting away with it.
I wonder: what would have happened if just 1 person out of 10 died within 10 mins from getting the shot? Or 10 days? Where is the limit?
But btw if the British government ever cede an inquiry it will be with aim of kicking the issue into the long grass for decades - it may be a tactic to call for one, but it isn’t good news if you get it. The gruesome fudges of contaminated blood scandal and Camelford water disaster are Department of Health masterpieces of a kind, and a terrible warning. Criminal prosecution is more like it.
It seems whenever we take a step forward, we then take two back. For instance, the UK health agency [MHRA?) quietly removed covid vaccines recommendations for certain aged children.. good news. This week, the UK gov’t declines to perform an investigation into the injury/death caused by the covid jabs, despite over 100,000 people signing a petition requesting an investigation…bad news.
Greatest crime in world history
Even if 1 million people had signed, an inquiry still wouldn’t happen. They know already and this would have horrendous consequences.
Story on my local news station--“Why having covid vaccine side effects might actually be beneficial.”
I was one of the very few (18 to be precise) members o the public allowed in to watch the debate. My write-up:
Video/transcript of yesterday's parliamentary debate on petition to hold a public inquiry on covid vaccine safety now published. There were only 18 public seats available, so many people who wanted to watch it couldn't get in. We were told to arrive 20 minutes early, but despite being 40 minutes early, it took so long to get through security that we missed the first couple of minutes.
The opening speech by the member of the petitions committee tasked to move the petition was a disgrace. Instead of summarising the petition and the reasons for it (even if he didn't agree with them), he launched into a rant about how the vaccine campaign had been such a great success, and the MHRA was doing a wonderful job, not surprising as he admitted they had briefed him thoroughly on what to say. Fair enough to hear the case for the defence, but he ought to have listened to the prosecution too. However, he openly admitted that he hadn't done that, equating the 107,000 petitioners with "anti-vaxxers, climate change and moon landing deniers" who had apparently been protesting outside his office, and therefore he was "inclined to ignore it completely". All in all, he was the very worst person you could choose to move this petition, which was presumably why he was chosen.
Including him, there were only a dozen MPs present, including a Health Minister and her Labour and SNP opposite numbers (who all agreed with each other at length that the jabs were wonderful), one Labour MP and half-a-dozen Tories. Several of these made some very good interventions and speeches, pointing out that the MHRA gets 86% of its funding from the pharmaceutical industry (which might tend to undermine its independence), adverse events are massively under-reported to the Yellow Card scheme (by the MHRA's own admission by a factor of 10 or more), the 40,000 care workers who lost their jobs thanks to the government's mandate, extension of the programme to the whole population despite initial assurances that it was only aimed at over-50s, refusing to take infection-acquired immunity into account (as one MP said, "the best vaccine against covid is covid"), children's natural immunity, the 18% rise in all-cause mortality since the start of the rollout, and the derisory and almost-impossible to obtain £120,000 limit on compensation for death or serious ("60% or more") injury.
In reply, the minister made no commitment to take any of these points into account, concluding "I encourage everyone who is eligible to step forward for their covid and flu vaccines as soon as they are able". The inappropriately-chosen proposer of the motion then got to sum up, saying "I will not apologise for not allowing that [compensation for vaccine injury] to be a gateway that allows vaccine misinformation to come into the mainstream", and "I join the Minister in urging people to come forward for their vaccines this winter".
So it looks like nothing will come directly from the debate, perhaps some tinkering with the compensation scheme, certainly not a proper inquiry into covid vaccine safety (although it seems the government has expanded the terms of reference of its previously-announced covid inquiry to also include vaccines - how could they have been omitted originally?). However, I think the petition and debate have still been worthwhile - over 107,000 people were concerned enough to sign the petition, and the serious concerns raised by backbench speakers in the debate (and the united Tory/Labour/SNP front bench refusal to acknowledge them) are now a matter of public record.
I watched a bit a bit of this, in particular Andrew Gwynne MP for Denton, he is a complete clown, an utter low IQ clueless prick, standing up FOR the MHRA!!! I thought (meaning know) our local MP is a tool, but this idiot surpasses him!! What a 100% cretin!!......It's no wonder these useless cowards decided not to hold an enquiry............Joel, your early post on the 'Road to Fascism' book is spot on. This Parliament SHOULD be dissolved and NONE of the present shower should be ever allowed to stand again (you might lose a few decent ones, but I'm sure they'd accept getting of 630 'rotten to the core' MPs for good would be a decent result for the sacrifice)......The last paragraph of that post is an accurate conclusion of this present parliament 'Being a bunch of incompetent, ignorant, corrupt, weak, gullible cowards who will forever be remembered as the worst Parliament in British history that oversaw the return of fascism to the governmental, juridical and cultural forms of the neoliberal democracies of the West.'
I had come to the thought that these risk-denying politicians must all be deliberately lying sociopaths who hate other people's children. And that thought is so bleak and demoralizing because sociopaths cannot change and cannot be healed. Yet they have POWER over us. I mean, what else could explain how they maintain their denial in the presence of so much anecdotal evidence, including in their own circles, and growing piles of independent published science we have in hand and are ready to share with them? But then we had old friends visit us. They had been stuck in Italy for two years and had not been able to get back to Canada due to Covid lockdown until now. They were as unaware, uninformed and firmly biased as these UK politicians, through no fault of their own. Not sociopaths. Simply ignorant. The censorship and propaganda had totally worked on them.
Sunak: 'Boris gave us the great vaccine rollout and for this we should be thankful. By the way, I just got parachuted into place as your new PM and I'm going to work day and night to do what is best for the British people. Isn't that wonderful?'
The British establishment is in full denial of their very significant role in what may turn out to be the single most vicious, calculated and callous crime ever committed against humanity, certainly if one merely does a body count of the victims, but also in terms of its sheer, deliberate, breath-takingly deceitful cruelty. Let's face it: they are NEVER going to open up an enquiry which would formally expose their crimes. The people themselves are going to have to do this.
Hi Joel, I don't know if you're interested in this data - I've been monitoring the road fatalities figures in Queensland, where I live. If you follow the link you'll see there is a roughly 10% rise each year over 2021 & 2022. I read a puzzled comment from a police inspector in the Cairns Post a couple of weeks ago about the unexplained rise in driver-only crashes - that's also borne out in these figures (incidentally, the editors always clear any comments I make pointing that out). I'll send this to Igor Chudov too.
https://www.publications.qld.gov.au/dataset/road-safety-statistics/resource/a5f24a26-f29b-4963-97ab-4d67a95836a5?inner_span=True
Five minutes into the video and it is clear that it is all farce in Westminster Hall. The first speaker's language is ridiculously inflammatory even after five minutes of speaking. His mind is clearly closed. He won't look at what anyone else has to say and claims papers were 'shoved' into his letterbox. Did he see them being 'shoved'? No. So how can he say they were? Because he is a blinded, biased, self loving, pompous fool.
How many are in the room? I counted fifteen participants with papers in front of them. It seems there are more witnesses/members of the public than sitting in the hall. This whole process is plain and simple wrong. These people take their money and don't bother to show up for work. What would happen if I did that? I would go bust.
Shall I watch the rest of the 1 1/2 hour video. Will my emotions be stirred? Undoubtedly. Yes, I will continue to watch because I want to be witness to the whole process. Unlike that first speaker I am willing and eager to look at all sides and be prepared to change my mind in the light of better evidence, as I did early on in the so called 'pandemic'. I keep looking yet cannot find anything which supports their version and narrative. Not only that, the more I look the more there is to support our version. Believe me when I say I want us to be wrong, this truth is so utterly frightning, yet I know there is no black swan to resue us here.
Thanks again Joel for sharing this.
The irony is that, here in the land of the free, we can't even get the politicians to consider and debate the petitions.
I wrote an article yesterday "Decline in Public and Scientific Discourse" which ties in with this https://garysharpe.substack.com/p/decline-in-public-and-scientific ... in particular "Most disturbingly, it seems to me that this is the modus operandi that our own governments are increasingly adopting against us, the people who they are supposed to be serving, exploiting the inherent power imbalances to “win” these games."
Despite Dr Malhotra’s interview with Laura Engle (US Tv news) getting a million views on twitter, the UK refuses to consider an investigation into the severe adverse events and deaths caused by covid jabs.
The Hansard transcript of the debate is here: https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2022-10-24/debates/FF880636-BC3B-4BDB-A5E0-D6D4B82B2888/Covid-19VaccinesSafety#
A small number of decent MPs excepted, this was mostly absolutely shocking. The “mover” of the debate, Elliot Colburn must surely be in the pockets of Big Pharma. His rant and the reaction to it of Sir Christopher Chope are shown shortly after 39:00 in last night’s Mark Steyn show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1YTiXLU04I
Of parochial interest to me I note that the SNP representative repeated the old chestnut, I think based on Neil Ferguson magical modelling, that the Covid vaccines saved 20 million lives.
Where is the limt?
Upper bound: I hope that if every person who got jabbed would have died right on the spot, then people would have raised concerns and the govts would have done something.
Lower bound: what is happening (excess deaths, strokes...) is really big but nothing happens, they are getting away with it.
I wonder: what would have happened if just 1 person out of 10 died within 10 mins from getting the shot? Or 10 days? Where is the limit?
But btw if the British government ever cede an inquiry it will be with aim of kicking the issue into the long grass for decades - it may be a tactic to call for one, but it isn’t good news if you get it. The gruesome fudges of contaminated blood scandal and Camelford water disaster are Department of Health masterpieces of a kind, and a terrible warning. Criminal prosecution is more like it.
It seems whenever we take a step forward, we then take two back. For instance, the UK health agency [MHRA?) quietly removed covid vaccines recommendations for certain aged children.. good news. This week, the UK gov’t declines to perform an investigation into the injury/death caused by the covid jabs, despite over 100,000 people signing a petition requesting an investigation…bad news.