As a nurse, every time the flu shot was mandated and I got it, I got the flu. When the mandates for flu shots stopped, I stopped getting the flu. Anecdotal yes, but I am not the only one with this experience. We have to remember that the efficacy of flu shots is traditionally terribly low -- 30% one year, 10% the next. It just isn't worth it and now with what we have learned about BIG PHARMA, there are many who will never receive ANY vaccine and are willing to give up careers for this.
After what we learned during the scamdemic, we must question every vaccine created before and after. The BiG Pharma is working to remake most vaccines using dangerous mRNA technology. There will be fly-Covid- RSV combination injections this fall. No more vaccines for me from now on.
I stopped takin vaccine after school. I always had colds. After I stopped vaccines I have never looked back. Never visited a dr for 30yrs+ except for the odd checkup.
I am just saying I think the vaccines actually cause you harm, but that's my experience.
Indeed, and we only have the word of a mendacious system that these injections do anything useful at all. The official deaths data does not indicate reductions in deaths from flu.
I’m led to the conclusion that either real fatal cases are so rare as a contribution to all causes mortality (in which case mass vaccination is a stupid idea & should cease) or the injections don’t work (in which case mass vaccination is a stupid idea & should cease).
I recall the first time I saw a graph like this or some other expression of ineffectiveness of flu vaccines.
I described my feelings as being “unmoored”. I realised the implications in a heartbeat. For years, multiple stakeholders had been lying to the entire public about matters that could affect their health and life. It doesn’t get much worse. Not until you encounter policies designed to injure, maim and kill, policies like coercing people to receive these c19 injections, which my extensive R&D experience told me are toxic by design.
I don’t understand how anyone can regard the graph Joel included without a similar psychological journey. If anyone can help explain why there aren’t a bunch of politicians meeting Mussolini style encounters with street furniture, I’d be all ears.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am against violent attempts at resolution. It’s a very bad path to go down, and I actively discourage it.
I spent two decades+ on yearly flu stabs. At first, I was enamoured, not a sniffle for at least a couple of years... But by the ten-to-fifteen year mark, even as the vaccine was commercialised, it's efficacy collapsed for me. As a DJ/producer, New Years Eve was an important date & one I kept missing thanks to lingering winter respiratory infections which often resulted in antibiotics & steroids & even the occasional ambulance ride. Asthmatic, see? For this reason, I began to juggle my flu vaccine date so as to increase my chances of an illness-free festive season.
But by 2015 I'd become concerned that rather than aiding my resistance to infection the flu jab might even be making things worse for me. So I decided to have one year off & see what happens. I have had no serious respiratory infections since, no antibiotics, no steroids, no ambulance rides. I've had no more flu vaccines either!
As a dedicated conspiracy theorist with absolutely no shame (I cannot be shamed by being accused of being what I am Lol), I was obviously dragged into the world of viruses & vaccines from early 2020 just like everyone who is less conspiratorially minded. And it wasn't long before I discovered research that showed the flu vaccine might be very bad for folks who then come across a coronavirus instead. The immune system is primed for the flu by the flu vaccine but is confused when it comes across a coronavirus or other virus instead. This can result in a 30% increased risk of hospitalisation, according to some research. Similar research showed that, sometimes, not even flu itself is prevented by the flu vaccine, often because the vaccine contains a different strain to the one circulating.
Anyway. I concluded that the flu vaccine was actually making me susceptible to other respiratory viruses & that I remain better off without it.
‘Asthmatic, see?’ There is correlation between the increase in vaccinations received by the population, starting in childhood and numbers with asthma (did you know?) and for the matter other allergic conditions. Yes correlation is no evidence of causality in of itself, but it is a good place to start and I think it is a worthy cause for rigorous investigation. This increase in asthma cases and allergies is well know within the medical profession, so I wonder why nobody is sufficiently interested to find out why. Well I suppose since nearly all medical research is funded by the pharmaceutical industry, and doctors and researchers are in the pocket of said industry, and if it were possible to show a link, that would not be in the interests of the pharmaceutical brigade. So.......
Yes, I am aware that auto-immune issues like asthma & other allergies can be exacerbated or even caused by vaccination. In the US where kids get the most vaccines early in life, those kids have a far greater risk of long-term allergies. This strikes me as no coincidence.
My asthma stems probably from my smoking parents. My first attack was around my first birthday, that being in the late 60's. I'm not sure if I'd have had any vaccinations in my first year but following one of those skin tests that showed I was at least mildly allergic to pretty much everything, I was forced to forego many vaccines due to the risk of allergic reaction. I fought measles & chicken-pox without any vaccine but managed to dodge mumps & whooping cough.
I'm detecting a subtext of profit before people in your final paragraphs & perhaps like you, I've begun to wonder whether chronic illness is being deliberately foisted on unsuspecting public by those who seek long-term profit from illness. There's no profit in cures. The profit is in treatment.
Which by turn is why it's taken so long to get Cannabis to be seen more seriously as the useful medicine it truly is. We can't have cheap old weed treating dementia & cancer now, can we? There's too much kaching in chemo & the rest.
You hit the nail on the head! I was born in 1963, I believe I had the MMR (separate vaccines at that time). I had allergies also (all milk products). I had chickenpox as well. Other than that, nothing, including no flu shots, ever. As far as cannabis, I agree with you 100%...this can’t be overstated! I use high quality CBD for pain and it has been a lifesaver for me! The government has really demonized this plant.
I'm just going to resist an anti-establishment rant coz it's first thing in the morning where I live but I 100% agree with your 100% agreement with me. Cannabis is incredible.
I must write up a Substack on Cannabis for cancer one day soon. That will be time well spent.
Feel free to subscribe to Alternative Narrative Substack, it's free.
I was circulating both these links as folks in the UK were being encouraged to take the flu vaccine in late 2020 while the covid "vaccines" were still in the pipeline. I concluded from the research above that recommending the flu vaccine during a coronavirus pandemic was likely to be counter-productive & an all-round bad idea.
This might be a big and missed scandal. I remember the sudden spike in "Covid' deaths in late 2020 and early 2021. I personally knew just 3 people who died from Covid and they all died in late November 2020 to maybe January 2021. They were 70, 81, 82. At the time, I wondered if there was a connection to them (almost certainly) recently getting their flu vaccines. Please stay on this hypothesis.
Do they now... Hahahaha. I have theorised re conspiracies my entire adult life. I know it's supposed to be offensive but I cannot be offended by a term that describes me accurately. I've a vast selection of tinfoil hats all of which I have spent time earning.
Besides, even if they were able to offend me, who cares what "they" say? Who cares what the narrators of deceit say about anybody?
Yeah, their words mean nothing. I don't even care if 'they' call me the worst thing you can be called: racist. They've changed all the words, so it's literally all BS. Implying populism is a bad thing should have alerted a lot more people to this...
I'll add to your anecdotes, had my one and only flu jab winter of 18/19 (teen daughter on chemo so not thinking straight) and had flu within 10 days, horrendous cough that couldn't shake for several weeks. Never ever again but on the plus side I was on full alert when I could see these others coming and it showed the family they don't work too
Same here. I rarely get the flu since I have stopped getting flu shots. Same with 2 other people I know. They didn't get the flu shot for 30 years and never get the flu. These 2 other people are rational people I trust so I decided to stop the flu shot and I take less sick days from flu now.
I'm 64 years old years lady and I never had any flu or ***vid vaccine.When it was flu season we got blocked noses, low fewer and it was done before the vaccines.
There is a saying in Turkey if you go to dr. for flu you get better in 1 week if you don't go you get better in 7 days.
Same here. If I'm still sick after 14 days, it ends up being a bacterial sinus infection. Studies show 70% of bronchitis are viral, same with sinus infections. This is why doctors won't give you antibiotics unless you've been sick for 10-14 days, at least. In my case all of my sinus infections happen to be bacterial. So I'm the odd one out.
I'll tell this story again. I received a flu "vaccine" in December 2019. Prior to that I was a blood donor, or more specifically a "Neo Donor". O-Neg, CMV-Neg - the blood premature infants need. On my next donation in January 2020 my blood was rejected due to positive HBsAG. That shot tainted my blood. I have attempted reentry ever since, having been permanently deferred last week due to the same Hepatitis B Surface Antigen. DO NOT GET THE SHOTS! If I could change my font to 72, bold, highlight and underline that statement I would. DO NOT GET THE SHOTS!
I've looked at a few flu vaccine studies in the US, and they were all inconclusive as to its benefits.
Ever since I had multiple bad reactions to my Covid booster, I've decided no more vaccines for respiratory diseases -- unless the evidence of benefit is clear and convincing. That means no more Covid boosters and no more flu shots.
For years I thought the ‘flu vaccine only resulted in me having ‘flu symptoms twice a year instead of once. So, I avoided it as much as possible. Then I had elderly relatives, so I got it to protect them. Then I read the analyses of the ‘flu vaccine’s effectiveness, i.e., none. So, no more. It’s all risk and no reward.
Worth remembering that vaccines are not HazMat suits and do not prevent you getting infection, which is entry of a pathogen into the body. Infection does not necessarily lead to disease. The words ‘infection’ and ‘disease’ do not mean the same thing. Vaccines only prime the immune system to give a faster more robust response when infection takes place. First symptoms (respiratory virus) are caused by immune response which include, runny nose, sneezing, coughing. Since we all sneeze, cough, and have to blow our nose now and then, we don’t ascribe them to an infection unless they persist and become continuous. During this time if the virus is reproducing - starts within 24 hours of infection - you become infectious. A fast, robust immune response is a war of attrition which if won by the immune response means symptoms are negligible or slight and they and infectiousness are short-lived. Therefore no vaccine is guaranteed to stop you spreading infection, that is entirely down to how fast and effective your immune response is.
Well, thanks John. Already knew all that. My real meaning is that the vaccine doesn’t, in fact, prime the immune system for a faster response. It appears (from the data) that the vaccine either has no beneficial effect on the immune system or it actually weakens the immune system making the recipient more susceptible to the infection. Once there is an infection there is replication of the virus and the host becomes a spreader.
For most of my life I was busy doing other things working in an environment with other young, healthy people. Respiratory illness happened but was not of great concern either from the perspective of the illness itself or the risk of spreading the illness. We didn’t really keep records but it seemed clear that vaccination had no real effect on the number of infections or their severity. The shots did cause some minor to moderate health problems usually manifest as lost work time. So, on balance I didn’t think it mattered. I didn’t go out of my way to avoid the shot, but I didn’t seek it out either.
Later in life, I began taking the shot regularly to protect elderly relatives. I had the same observations of apparent lack of utility. But, I felt that the CDC had probably done the research and knew that they were effective at a population level. Turns out that they had done the research, knew that the vaccines were ineffective and were foisting them off on us anyway. This indicates either incompetence or malfeasance or both.
The Covid Pandemic and the Vax discussions have caused me to look into these matters and discover this unseemly truth. I now realize that the CDC and FDA are not trustworthy. So, I need to look at the data myself. The data does not show any beneficial effect to these vaccines. And some of the data show a net disadvantage to the vaccines. Sometimes that disadvantage is severe. Each vaccine represents a risk. In the end either I get nothing or I get hurt. And the argument that I’m running this risk to protect others is beginning to look like just another lie. No thanks.
The flu jab helped to see my mother to an earlier grave than she would likely have had.
She did have myelofibrosis and I started to question the flu jab in the winter 2018/19 when aside from her medical practice giving it to her whilst she had a minor infection, it totally messed with her medication for her blood cancer. It was a good job I was on the ball with it all otherwise her consultant would have stopped it. I argued that she actually needed her drugs increasing, he wanted to take her off them and we agreed a months wait and see after which he increased her dosage. The same happened the following year so her levels were left as was. In autumn 2020 her GP practice again gave her a flu jab whilst she had a minor infection and her body couldn't cope with it. She had infection after infection (including colds) and passed away a few weeks later with pneumonia. I am still kicking myself for not realising that she had developed pneumonia and I am sure the stupid masks they forced her to wear at the hospital the week she died didn't help. Her (and mine) only saving grace was that the barstools didnt get to have the chance to try and get her with a covid jab which, she said, she wasn't going to take but you never know when they get their claws in - relentless they were with her neighbours
Most people have colonies of staph and strep bacteria in their respiratory tract kept in control by the immune system which stops them reproducing rapidly. Masks are lovely moist, warm pétri dishes where exhaled staph and strep bacteria can multiply without the pesky immune system interfering and which can then be inhaled by the mask wearer at high levels with which a sick person’s immune system cannot cope. Result: pneumonia.
Completely useless and dangerous. The prototype for ADE, immune fixation leading to increased susceptibility and death in the elderly. Uh, sound familiar?
There is NO proof anywhere that the vaccination program for any human is worth more than a handful of spit. Big pharma's vaccine empire is built on lies, propaganda and no scientific evidence of any kind.
If vaccines worked, over 50-55% the population would not get the flu, another 30-35% would have some kind of natural immunity and by chance 10-15% wouldn't get it at all. That leaves maybe 0-5% of the population getting the flu. We know that is not the case.
I think Cochrane Review agrees with you. Every properly conducted study shows no benefit in terms of reducing flu infection cases, hospitalizations and deaths from flu complications. Vaccinating nurses for flu does nothing to protect their hospital patients from flu, and masking doesn't either - that was a court case won by Ontario nurses who fought a rule that if they refused annual flu shots they would have to wear a mask all the time at work. A few Canadian studies show that regular flu shots make healthy people more likely to get sick, Indigenous young people more likely to get sick with and die from non-vaccine flu strain (ADE/ linked epitope suppression), unhealthy people more likely to get sicker, people with stable kidney disease to suddenly need dialysis and/or die from kidney failure (Dr. Suzanne Humphries), and they increase post-vaccine doctor office and ER visits especially for children (CHD/ ICAN). And there's the pesky signal that miscarriage and preterm birth is increased.
From "Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory viruses" by none other than Dr Tony Fauci, with co-workers:
"Until the emergence of COVID-19, influenza had for many decades been the deadliest vaccine-preventable viral respiratory disease, one for which only less than suboptimal vaccines are available. Surprisingly, little has changed with influenza vaccines since 1957 when they were first administered in US national vaccination programs. Over the years, influenza vaccines have never been able to elicit durable protective immunity against seasonal influenza virus strains, even against non-drifted strain."
"Although current influenza vaccines reduce the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death to some degree, their effectiveness against clinically apparent infection is decidedly suboptimal, ranging from 14% to 60% over the past 15 influenza seasons. Furthermore, the duration of vaccine-elicited immunity is measured only in months. Current vaccines require annual re-vaccination with updated formulations that are frequently not precisely matched to circulating virus strains."
"As of 2022, after more than 60 years of experience with influenza vaccines, very little improvement in vaccine prevention of infection has been noted. As pointed out decades ago, and still true today, the rates of effectiveness of our best approved influenza vaccines would be inadequate for licensure for most other vaccine-preventable diseases."
I always wondered about that, especially since Covid. But even before that, I never took one. Kinda of a gut feeling. I am eligible since a couple of years. I did look up the effects of flue shots, and turns out that no effect has ever been proven. Not so strange, considering that selecting the dominant strings is a bit like aiming for bulls eye by a darts amateur. Although they're not mRNA based, one may wonder why anyone would be injected with a vaccine that has no proven benefit. The irony in all this, is that the Covid mRNA jab push has increased peoples suspicion about vaccinations. The usual suspetcs benefit financially. hm.
As a nurse, every time the flu shot was mandated and I got it, I got the flu. When the mandates for flu shots stopped, I stopped getting the flu. Anecdotal yes, but I am not the only one with this experience. We have to remember that the efficacy of flu shots is traditionally terribly low -- 30% one year, 10% the next. It just isn't worth it and now with what we have learned about BIG PHARMA, there are many who will never receive ANY vaccine and are willing to give up careers for this.
After what we learned during the scamdemic, we must question every vaccine created before and after. The BiG Pharma is working to remake most vaccines using dangerous mRNA technology. There will be fly-Covid- RSV combination injections this fall. No more vaccines for me from now on.
I stopped takin vaccine after school. I always had colds. After I stopped vaccines I have never looked back. Never visited a dr for 30yrs+ except for the odd checkup.
I am just saying I think the vaccines actually cause you harm, but that's my experience.
Indeed, and we only have the word of a mendacious system that these injections do anything useful at all. The official deaths data does not indicate reductions in deaths from flu.
I’m led to the conclusion that either real fatal cases are so rare as a contribution to all causes mortality (in which case mass vaccination is a stupid idea & should cease) or the injections don’t work (in which case mass vaccination is a stupid idea & should cease).
I recall the first time I saw a graph like this or some other expression of ineffectiveness of flu vaccines.
I described my feelings as being “unmoored”. I realised the implications in a heartbeat. For years, multiple stakeholders had been lying to the entire public about matters that could affect their health and life. It doesn’t get much worse. Not until you encounter policies designed to injure, maim and kill, policies like coercing people to receive these c19 injections, which my extensive R&D experience told me are toxic by design.
I don’t understand how anyone can regard the graph Joel included without a similar psychological journey. If anyone can help explain why there aren’t a bunch of politicians meeting Mussolini style encounters with street furniture, I’d be all ears.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am against violent attempts at resolution. It’s a very bad path to go down, and I actively discourage it.
Love your work Mike, can't thank you enough for resisting the narrators.
The following was the subject of a Substack I wrote a few months ago - https://alternativenarrative.substack.com/p/my-twenty-years-on-the-flu-vaccine
I spent two decades+ on yearly flu stabs. At first, I was enamoured, not a sniffle for at least a couple of years... But by the ten-to-fifteen year mark, even as the vaccine was commercialised, it's efficacy collapsed for me. As a DJ/producer, New Years Eve was an important date & one I kept missing thanks to lingering winter respiratory infections which often resulted in antibiotics & steroids & even the occasional ambulance ride. Asthmatic, see? For this reason, I began to juggle my flu vaccine date so as to increase my chances of an illness-free festive season.
But by 2015 I'd become concerned that rather than aiding my resistance to infection the flu jab might even be making things worse for me. So I decided to have one year off & see what happens. I have had no serious respiratory infections since, no antibiotics, no steroids, no ambulance rides. I've had no more flu vaccines either!
As a dedicated conspiracy theorist with absolutely no shame (I cannot be shamed by being accused of being what I am Lol), I was obviously dragged into the world of viruses & vaccines from early 2020 just like everyone who is less conspiratorially minded. And it wasn't long before I discovered research that showed the flu vaccine might be very bad for folks who then come across a coronavirus instead. The immune system is primed for the flu by the flu vaccine but is confused when it comes across a coronavirus or other virus instead. This can result in a 30% increased risk of hospitalisation, according to some research. Similar research showed that, sometimes, not even flu itself is prevented by the flu vaccine, often because the vaccine contains a different strain to the one circulating.
Anyway. I concluded that the flu vaccine was actually making me susceptible to other respiratory viruses & that I remain better off without it.
‘Asthmatic, see?’ There is correlation between the increase in vaccinations received by the population, starting in childhood and numbers with asthma (did you know?) and for the matter other allergic conditions. Yes correlation is no evidence of causality in of itself, but it is a good place to start and I think it is a worthy cause for rigorous investigation. This increase in asthma cases and allergies is well know within the medical profession, so I wonder why nobody is sufficiently interested to find out why. Well I suppose since nearly all medical research is funded by the pharmaceutical industry, and doctors and researchers are in the pocket of said industry, and if it were possible to show a link, that would not be in the interests of the pharmaceutical brigade. So.......
Yes, I am aware that auto-immune issues like asthma & other allergies can be exacerbated or even caused by vaccination. In the US where kids get the most vaccines early in life, those kids have a far greater risk of long-term allergies. This strikes me as no coincidence.
My asthma stems probably from my smoking parents. My first attack was around my first birthday, that being in the late 60's. I'm not sure if I'd have had any vaccinations in my first year but following one of those skin tests that showed I was at least mildly allergic to pretty much everything, I was forced to forego many vaccines due to the risk of allergic reaction. I fought measles & chicken-pox without any vaccine but managed to dodge mumps & whooping cough.
I'm detecting a subtext of profit before people in your final paragraphs & perhaps like you, I've begun to wonder whether chronic illness is being deliberately foisted on unsuspecting public by those who seek long-term profit from illness. There's no profit in cures. The profit is in treatment.
Which by turn is why it's taken so long to get Cannabis to be seen more seriously as the useful medicine it truly is. We can't have cheap old weed treating dementia & cancer now, can we? There's too much kaching in chemo & the rest.
You hit the nail on the head! I was born in 1963, I believe I had the MMR (separate vaccines at that time). I had allergies also (all milk products). I had chickenpox as well. Other than that, nothing, including no flu shots, ever. As far as cannabis, I agree with you 100%...this can’t be overstated! I use high quality CBD for pain and it has been a lifesaver for me! The government has really demonized this plant.
I'm just going to resist an anti-establishment rant coz it's first thing in the morning where I live but I 100% agree with your 100% agreement with me. Cannabis is incredible.
I must write up a Substack on Cannabis for cancer one day soon. That will be time well spent.
Feel free to subscribe to Alternative Narrative Substack, it's free.
There are plenty of studies and statistics that show the COVID vaccine is really bad. Facts are not theories, and facts are not feelings. https://wordsalad.info/tag-vaccinebadstudy.html
I think you are on to s/t with your theory that the flu vaccine increases one's odds of dying from Covid. I wish there was some real research on this.
There is, except that it refers generally to coronaviruses & not to covid specifically.
"Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017–2018 influenza season"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19313647
"Flu shots and the risk of coronavirus infections"
https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m810/rr-0
I was circulating both these links as folks in the UK were being encouraged to take the flu vaccine in late 2020 while the covid "vaccines" were still in the pipeline. I concluded from the research above that recommending the flu vaccine during a coronavirus pandemic was likely to be counter-productive & an all-round bad idea.
This might be a big and missed scandal. I remember the sudden spike in "Covid' deaths in late 2020 and early 2021. I personally knew just 3 people who died from Covid and they all died in late November 2020 to maybe January 2021. They were 70, 81, 82. At the time, I wondered if there was a connection to them (almost certainly) recently getting their flu vaccines. Please stay on this hypothesis.
Fancy seeing you here! They say you’re a conspiracy theorist :)
Do they now... Hahahaha. I have theorised re conspiracies my entire adult life. I know it's supposed to be offensive but I cannot be offended by a term that describes me accurately. I've a vast selection of tinfoil hats all of which I have spent time earning.
Besides, even if they were able to offend me, who cares what "they" say? Who cares what the narrators of deceit say about anybody?
:)
Yeah, their words mean nothing. I don't even care if 'they' call me the worst thing you can be called: racist. They've changed all the words, so it's literally all BS. Implying populism is a bad thing should have alerted a lot more people to this...
100% Correct Dr. Yeadon. The russians have got the offing sorted out very well now!
They that require offing, just seem to jump out of the very highest hotel windows!
Zero violence involved Sir.
I'll add to your anecdotes, had my one and only flu jab winter of 18/19 (teen daughter on chemo so not thinking straight) and had flu within 10 days, horrendous cough that couldn't shake for several weeks. Never ever again but on the plus side I was on full alert when I could see these others coming and it showed the family they don't work too
Same for me. The one time I had the flu vax, I ended up getting it!
Same here. I rarely get the flu since I have stopped getting flu shots. Same with 2 other people I know. They didn't get the flu shot for 30 years and never get the flu. These 2 other people are rational people I trust so I decided to stop the flu shot and I take less sick days from flu now.
I'm 64 years old years lady and I never had any flu or ***vid vaccine.When it was flu season we got blocked noses, low fewer and it was done before the vaccines.
There is a saying in Turkey if you go to dr. for flu you get better in 1 week if you don't go you get better in 7 days.
The old saying of Colds & ‘flu was, five days coming, five days going.
Same here. If I'm still sick after 14 days, it ends up being a bacterial sinus infection. Studies show 70% of bronchitis are viral, same with sinus infections. This is why doctors won't give you antibiotics unless you've been sick for 10-14 days, at least. In my case all of my sinus infections happen to be bacterial. So I'm the odd one out.
I'll tell this story again. I received a flu "vaccine" in December 2019. Prior to that I was a blood donor, or more specifically a "Neo Donor". O-Neg, CMV-Neg - the blood premature infants need. On my next donation in January 2020 my blood was rejected due to positive HBsAG. That shot tainted my blood. I have attempted reentry ever since, having been permanently deferred last week due to the same Hepatitis B Surface Antigen. DO NOT GET THE SHOTS! If I could change my font to 72, bold, highlight and underline that statement I would. DO NOT GET THE SHOTS!
Wow
I've looked at a few flu vaccine studies in the US, and they were all inconclusive as to its benefits.
Ever since I had multiple bad reactions to my Covid booster, I've decided no more vaccines for respiratory diseases -- unless the evidence of benefit is clear and convincing. That means no more Covid boosters and no more flu shots.
I have no problem telling them to go fuck themselves.
This is a good example of why data needs to be made public. It is a hideous waste of my taxes and i am over 65
Yes, but how many would read it or take note? That’s the problem.
For years I thought the ‘flu vaccine only resulted in me having ‘flu symptoms twice a year instead of once. So, I avoided it as much as possible. Then I had elderly relatives, so I got it to protect them. Then I read the analyses of the ‘flu vaccine’s effectiveness, i.e., none. So, no more. It’s all risk and no reward.
Worth remembering that vaccines are not HazMat suits and do not prevent you getting infection, which is entry of a pathogen into the body. Infection does not necessarily lead to disease. The words ‘infection’ and ‘disease’ do not mean the same thing. Vaccines only prime the immune system to give a faster more robust response when infection takes place. First symptoms (respiratory virus) are caused by immune response which include, runny nose, sneezing, coughing. Since we all sneeze, cough, and have to blow our nose now and then, we don’t ascribe them to an infection unless they persist and become continuous. During this time if the virus is reproducing - starts within 24 hours of infection - you become infectious. A fast, robust immune response is a war of attrition which if won by the immune response means symptoms are negligible or slight and they and infectiousness are short-lived. Therefore no vaccine is guaranteed to stop you spreading infection, that is entirely down to how fast and effective your immune response is.
Well, thanks John. Already knew all that. My real meaning is that the vaccine doesn’t, in fact, prime the immune system for a faster response. It appears (from the data) that the vaccine either has no beneficial effect on the immune system or it actually weakens the immune system making the recipient more susceptible to the infection. Once there is an infection there is replication of the virus and the host becomes a spreader.
For most of my life I was busy doing other things working in an environment with other young, healthy people. Respiratory illness happened but was not of great concern either from the perspective of the illness itself or the risk of spreading the illness. We didn’t really keep records but it seemed clear that vaccination had no real effect on the number of infections or their severity. The shots did cause some minor to moderate health problems usually manifest as lost work time. So, on balance I didn’t think it mattered. I didn’t go out of my way to avoid the shot, but I didn’t seek it out either.
Later in life, I began taking the shot regularly to protect elderly relatives. I had the same observations of apparent lack of utility. But, I felt that the CDC had probably done the research and knew that they were effective at a population level. Turns out that they had done the research, knew that the vaccines were ineffective and were foisting them off on us anyway. This indicates either incompetence or malfeasance or both.
The Covid Pandemic and the Vax discussions have caused me to look into these matters and discover this unseemly truth. I now realize that the CDC and FDA are not trustworthy. So, I need to look at the data myself. The data does not show any beneficial effect to these vaccines. And some of the data show a net disadvantage to the vaccines. Sometimes that disadvantage is severe. Each vaccine represents a risk. In the end either I get nothing or I get hurt. And the argument that I’m running this risk to protect others is beginning to look like just another lie. No thanks.
But maybe you're protecting others! :D
More likely helping Pharma profits…
Protecting other people's investments :D
https://substack.pervaers.com/img/influenza.png
This is German Influenza related excess mortality. Straight from the horses's mouth (RKI).
Doing a great job it seems. 2018 was probably just a minor glitch.
Every wave is worse than the last since introduction of the shots. Ridiculous lol.
The flu jab helped to see my mother to an earlier grave than she would likely have had.
She did have myelofibrosis and I started to question the flu jab in the winter 2018/19 when aside from her medical practice giving it to her whilst she had a minor infection, it totally messed with her medication for her blood cancer. It was a good job I was on the ball with it all otherwise her consultant would have stopped it. I argued that she actually needed her drugs increasing, he wanted to take her off them and we agreed a months wait and see after which he increased her dosage. The same happened the following year so her levels were left as was. In autumn 2020 her GP practice again gave her a flu jab whilst she had a minor infection and her body couldn't cope with it. She had infection after infection (including colds) and passed away a few weeks later with pneumonia. I am still kicking myself for not realising that she had developed pneumonia and I am sure the stupid masks they forced her to wear at the hospital the week she died didn't help. Her (and mine) only saving grace was that the barstools didnt get to have the chance to try and get her with a covid jab which, she said, she wasn't going to take but you never know when they get their claws in - relentless they were with her neighbours
Omg I just realized the masks in hospital patients in combination with reduced mobility should massively increase the risk of developing pneumonia.
Most people have colonies of staph and strep bacteria in their respiratory tract kept in control by the immune system which stops them reproducing rapidly. Masks are lovely moist, warm pétri dishes where exhaled staph and strep bacteria can multiply without the pesky immune system interfering and which can then be inhaled by the mask wearer at high levels with which a sick person’s immune system cannot cope. Result: pneumonia.
Exactly and one of the reasons because of natural bacteria in the mouth why they reckon forms of oral cancer are going to be increased as a result
Yes. Can you believe they also tried to make me wear a mask after mouth surgery?
Insanity is rarely a pretty sight (lost my own mind quite a few times). The fascists did a proper good job on the medical personnel.
Completely useless and dangerous. The prototype for ADE, immune fixation leading to increased susceptibility and death in the elderly. Uh, sound familiar?
Flu is a seasonal detox so how could a jab possibly work. It’s propaganda and money making
There is NO proof anywhere that the vaccination program for any human is worth more than a handful of spit. Big pharma's vaccine empire is built on lies, propaganda and no scientific evidence of any kind.
If vaccines worked, over 50-55% the population would not get the flu, another 30-35% would have some kind of natural immunity and by chance 10-15% wouldn't get it at all. That leaves maybe 0-5% of the population getting the flu. We know that is not the case.
I think Cochrane Review agrees with you. Every properly conducted study shows no benefit in terms of reducing flu infection cases, hospitalizations and deaths from flu complications. Vaccinating nurses for flu does nothing to protect their hospital patients from flu, and masking doesn't either - that was a court case won by Ontario nurses who fought a rule that if they refused annual flu shots they would have to wear a mask all the time at work. A few Canadian studies show that regular flu shots make healthy people more likely to get sick, Indigenous young people more likely to get sick with and die from non-vaccine flu strain (ADE/ linked epitope suppression), unhealthy people more likely to get sicker, people with stable kidney disease to suddenly need dialysis and/or die from kidney failure (Dr. Suzanne Humphries), and they increase post-vaccine doctor office and ER visits especially for children (CHD/ ICAN). And there's the pesky signal that miscarriage and preterm birth is increased.
I am familiar with the Ontario nurses judgement. Used it a couple of years ago in a LinkedIn post.
From "Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory viruses" by none other than Dr Tony Fauci, with co-workers:
"Until the emergence of COVID-19, influenza had for many decades been the deadliest vaccine-preventable viral respiratory disease, one for which only less than suboptimal vaccines are available. Surprisingly, little has changed with influenza vaccines since 1957 when they were first administered in US national vaccination programs. Over the years, influenza vaccines have never been able to elicit durable protective immunity against seasonal influenza virus strains, even against non-drifted strain."
"Although current influenza vaccines reduce the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death to some degree, their effectiveness against clinically apparent infection is decidedly suboptimal, ranging from 14% to 60% over the past 15 influenza seasons. Furthermore, the duration of vaccine-elicited immunity is measured only in months. Current vaccines require annual re-vaccination with updated formulations that are frequently not precisely matched to circulating virus strains."
"As of 2022, after more than 60 years of experience with influenza vaccines, very little improvement in vaccine prevention of infection has been noted. As pointed out decades ago, and still true today, the rates of effectiveness of our best approved influenza vaccines would be inadequate for licensure for most other vaccine-preventable diseases."
Bet he can't produce a shred of empirical evidence showing reduction in mortality.
I always wondered about that, especially since Covid. But even before that, I never took one. Kinda of a gut feeling. I am eligible since a couple of years. I did look up the effects of flue shots, and turns out that no effect has ever been proven. Not so strange, considering that selecting the dominant strings is a bit like aiming for bulls eye by a darts amateur. Although they're not mRNA based, one may wonder why anyone would be injected with a vaccine that has no proven benefit. The irony in all this, is that the Covid mRNA jab push has increased peoples suspicion about vaccinations. The usual suspetcs benefit financially. hm.
Thanks for clearing this out, Joel.
Vaccine Interference by Flu jabs
https://geoffpain.substack.com/p/us-military-knowingly-weakening-the
That’s sick